Re: The Argument We Refuse to Win (Re: The War...)

From: G Banting (gbanting_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 07/21/04

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    Rand Simberg <newsgroups@transterrestrial.com> wrote in message news:<3n%Kc.8774$Qu5.8406@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
    > G Banting wrote:

    >> > All of it substantiated and documented in public in Australia.
    >
    > Where? At moonbat Margo Kingston's column? The last poll I saw said
    > that Oz agreed with the Iraq policy.

    Oh I see change of subject.. Well I dont know who margo is, but I have
    summarised some of the sources below. You wont look at them of course
    since that is your way. As someone has pointed out arguing with you
    simply supports the stance of the radicals that their can be no
    reconciliation with the US. So I will allow you to wallow in your own
    ignorance and pray that you are a minority in your country.

    With regards to polls well yet again you have been caught in the act
    of lying. The last official poll put the it at 65% believe the war was
    not justified and that 74% of the people believe the US is a threat to
    world security. Of interest today is a Poll from fairfax readers which
    is slightly more pro war. They have the poll at 55% belive the war was
    not justified.

    As for the evidence, you already know the answers if you had done any
    basic research. But lets go through them,

    The initial lies and false intelligence use to justify what was
    nothing but a premptive doctrine.
    "A Matter of public inquiries and statements from the UN weapons team"

    The torture and mutiliation of prisoners some children.
    "Please refer to any australian paper and look it up you will see
    multiple accounts, but I believe you can go to any major paper to in
    any country but the US to find them. ALso refer to section 8 of the
    latest leaked red cross report for information on the children."

    The theft of money and goods from civilians
    "Numerous journalists and aid workers are on record check your non-US
    newspapers. You will also find several statements from US central
    command as to why they believe it is necessary."

    The theft of Iraq oil money and failure to adhere to even the basic
    principles of accountability.
    "Refer to the UN report and the KPMG audit report plus additional
    comments can be found from Non-american companies who have received
    contracts."

    The aquisition of aid (namely food, water and medial supplies) by the
    US military and used for the military rather than civilians.

    "Refer to the reports by Ausaid on the ceasing of their shipments.
    Again, I believe you can also find similiar on for other countries.
    Also refer to several brief paragraphs in the red cross report on
    their medical supplies which were ceased"

    The slaughter of innocent civilians.
    "Far too numerous to state the sources. Footage also regularly shown
    on TV."

    The use of collective punishment
    "Refer to seige of fallujah with comments from journalists and aid
    agencies on the ground."

    The implementation of a puppet democracy in iraq
    "Refer to the actions of the US government prior to appointment and to
    the statements of the UN advisor after the US appointed PM was
    installed.

    "The attempt to corrupt existing democracies of your allies.
    Pakistan for one. But the actions in Australia also. THreatening us
    with an end to the alliance if we didnt keep the current government
    plus other humourous threats."

    The barbaric nature of their tactics (eg: bombing a town and setting
    up snipers around the hospital to shoot people seeking medical care).
    "Again far too many journalist and aid agencies to mention reported
    this. Also discussed in australian parliment in which it stated we
    were not participating. Also refer to the reports from journalists who
    stopped what they were doing to smuggle wounded children through the
    sniper barrages"

    The bashing and killing of aid and medical workers
    "Again refer to the comments from aid workers and the leaked red cross
    report. It would be remiss of me not also include journalists and the
    protesters who are repeatedly shot at."

    The assasination of civilians (reported by australian special forces
    and for which they were banished to the Northern border to secure it
    from insurgents).

    "Refer to australian parlimentary records and numerous reports of
    journalists on the ground in iraq. "

    The execution of war crimes in bombing civilians (witnesses by
    Australia pilots working with the US and invocation of the Cosgrove
    protocol)

    "Again refer to parlimentary records and the Defense department
    statements on the number of times Cosgrove Protocol invoked. For
    details on the actual protocol and the statements that the US commits
    war crimes refer to Australian force deployment early in the war with
    reference to General Peter Cosgrove, commander Australian armed
    forces."

    The destruction of civilian infrastructure necessary for survival
    (again reported by Australian pilots working with the US)
    "As above. It recounts power facilities and water processing
    facilities"

    The outright lies and deceit practised to the UN and to the world
    media (eg: we are releasing prisoners from a certain prison when in
    fact more than 75% of them were taken to other places to be tortured)
    "Again refer to the accounts form people on the ground, the aid
    agencies and the leaked red cross report. In particular refer to the
    number of people released and the number of people taken to other
    facilities. Also note that the torture isnt related to just one prison
    but you are only acting in regards to one prison."

    The capture of your allies civilians and the brutalising of them in
    violation of the geneva convention.

    "Again, refer to the statements of captured australian citizens and
    their medical reports, also to the Defense department reports on such
    matters. I beleieve several european countries have also had similiar
    experiences."

    The refusal to restore power or water because it aids the freedom
    fighters as well (reported by Australian aid agencies)
    "Refer to parlimentary and defense records. Plus adhoc accounts from
    aid agencies on the ground"

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