Re: Mountains Rush and Moore

From: Eric Chomko (echomko_at__at_polaris.umuc.edu)
Date: 08/02/04 

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:32:40 +0000 (UTC)

John Doe (jdoe@doe.org) wrote:
: Eric Chomko wrote:
: > : > : How would Clinton's "terrorism policies" have prevented 911? How did
: > : > : the so-called "communications gap" cause it?
: > : >
: > : > Because the indicators of an attack would not have been ignored. It was
: > : > negligence on the part of W's adminstration. Pure and simple.

: In fairness, nobody knows if under a different government, 911 would have been
: stopeed or at least thwarted.

Agreed. But to claim that it would have happened under Gore and that we
should be glad that Bush was president instead implies a certainty in an
uncertain situation, as you pointed out.

: > W's arrogance that it can't happen here caused it.

: Then again, there are conspiracies that say that Bush (or rather his handlers)
: wanted a terrorist event to happen in the USA so that they could unleash their
: long planned policies/plans. The mistake in such a case was that they had
: vastly underestimated the magnitude of the attack.

How does one plan such a conspiracy, if that were the case, and control it
to the precise desired outcome?

Reminds me of the theory that Oswald planned to shoot Govenor Connaly and
had no intention of shooting Kennedy.

: Remember that the previous attack on US soil by foreigners didn't do that much
: damage (WTC in 1993). Although that Oklahoma City bomb did show how much
: damage a terrorist could inflict.

: Also, back in the original WTC bomb context, Al Queda wasn't a well known
: organisation back then and wasn't as well organised. So while one can , in
: hindsight, criticise whoever was in power at the time for not taking strong
: immediate action, it may not have been so obvious at the time, and probably
: politically impossible to attack a country (eithert diplomatically or
: militarily) because a few of its citizens planted a bomb.

: It is the attacks that followed that clearly drew a big target on Al Queda as
: a guilty party, and on the Taliban as a government that hosted Al Queda and
: exchanged services (training, facilities) to train the Taliban's army.

Right, and here we are in Iraq! THAT should cost W the election, alone!

: Prior to 9-11, the Taliban (which had been put in power by the USA, which was
: happy to see the soviets leave) had done nothing warranting a military action
: against itself. Plenty of rogue regimes and abused human rights. And plenty of
: countries, including the USA, are hosts to organisations which are criminal in
: nature. It doesn't necessarily mean that the host country supports or condones
: those organisations.

But now things are different. You must draw the line. We can no longer
support rogue groups that eventually can turn around and bite us. It
smacks of W's botched lines in Fahrenheit-911, "fool me once, shame on
you, fool me twice, shame on me".

: After 9-11, the taliban became "guilty" when it refused to cooperate with the
: international community to catch the bad guys.

Which are STILL are large. I like Edwards' conviction that they
(Kerry/Edwards) will catch bin Laden.

Eric

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