Re: Pres Bush Left His Unit to Avoid a Drug Test! A Repub

From: Eric Chomko (echomko_at__at_polaris.umuc.edu)
Date: 09/27/04 

Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:15:10 +0000 (UTC)

Dennis M. Hammes (scrawlmark@arvig.net) wrote:
: Mr Stu Pididiot wrote:
: >
: > "Eric Chomko" <echomko_at_@polaris.umuc.edu> wrote in message
: > news:cj1m5r$1ttd$1@news.ums.edu...
: > > Art (arty_faque@yahoo.com) wrote:
: > >
: > >
: > > : Eric Chomko wrote:
: > > : >
: > > : > Dennis M. Hammes (scrawlmark@arvig.net) wrote:
: > > : > : Art McNutt wrote:
: > > : > : >
: > > : > : > Eric Chomko wrote:
: > > : > : ...
: > > : > : > >
: > > : > : > > A failure to the point that we could rally and then attack the north above
: > > : > : > > the DMZ and seize Hanoi? Explain why that wasn't the next step.
: > > : > : >
: > > : > : > Because only YOU ever thought of it.
: > > : >
: > > : > : Not, actually. Westmoreland, like MacArthur in like case, was
: > > : > : removed from command for thinking of it more than once, and
: > > : > : Johnson's authorisation to Bomb Hanoi raised so much media stink he
: > > : > : refused to run for re-election in the belief it would cost his Party
: > > : > : the office (his replacement wasn't "good enough" in the campaign
: > > : > : sense to get it, anyway; one doesn't "groom a replacement" for a
: > > : > : President in his first term).
: > > : >
: > > : > Pleas provide a cite that LBJ intended to bomb Hanoi. I believe that the
: > > : > was what Goldwater stated.
: > >
: > > : Rolling Thunder rolled right to Hanoi's doorstep in 1968; and the only
: > > : logical next step was bombing Hanoi City, itself. CINCPAC, the Joint
: > > : Chiefs, Moscow, Beijing, Hanoi and The American public all knew this.
: > >
: > > Cite?
: > >
: > > : Dennis obviously means Johnson's authorization for greatly intensified
: > > : bombing of northern industrial targets; i.e., the heart of the
: > > : DRV--Hanoi, if you will.
: > >
: > > : Johnson stopped short, under the council of McNamara, of bombing Hanoi
: > > : City. He ended Rolling Thunder in October. McNamara is, in many senses,
: > > : an entire textbook demonstrating plainly to everyone (but himself) what
: > > : NOT to do in crisis.
: >
: > Why overanalyze things? We got into a war of attrition
: > with an enemy that wanted it more. So, of course, we
: > lost it. The war of attrition was a result of our deciding
: > early on to contain, not conquer. This lack of determination
: > has to be chalked up to the underlying fear of the cold war
: > and it's nightmare scenarios.
: >
: Why overanalyse things? We didn't get into a war at all.
: We got into a Police Action at the invitation of the country who
: was running it.

Invation? So was the Domino Theory THAT invitation? I thougt the DT came
from some right-wing think tank and not the govt of SV? Please elaborate.

: It was a vague parallel to another Police Action we got into in a
: country that's /not/ running it.

Iraq, now? Or Iran in 1953?

: The /war/ was with China, and our primary ally was Russia.

Yeah, those Ruskies really helped out in Vietnam.

I understand the success of the Cold War by not having the USSR and China
unite against us. But I don't see Vietnam as the key. Perhaps you know
better?

: Russia helped China and the NVA against us to prove to them that
: they couldn't kick our asses even /with/ Russian help.
: This revisionism did not fully emerge until the collapse of the
: SovUnion in 1989, though it was well known to many analysts and
: reported routinely by defectors throughout the Cold War.
: The filthiest, bloodiest, and most hateful wars are sectarian
: wars, and Russia and China were having one over Marx/Leninism vs.
: Maoism.

Better them fighting each other rather than one or both fighting us.

: Russia could not have invaded Europe under any circumstances; the
: Chinese would have rolled up their asses.

Why would China care to save Europe from Russia? Do you make this *** up
as you go along or do you have any actual research?

: Nor could they attack China, as we would have taken back Eastern
: Europe, costing the Soviet all the industrial plant they had stolen
: after WWII, thus costing them the war with China.
: It was necessary for our friends the Soviets to keep China from
: attacking the U.S. directly by showing them how well the U.S. shot
: down MiGs over Korea and Viet Nam.

Seems like a huge price to pay (58K lost US soldiers) to make that point!

: It was necessary to keep China from enlisting indigenous aid by
: showing them that the indigenes, issued AK-47s, only fired them at
: cameramen and the Great Face In The Sky, which caused the indigenes
: carrying M-16s to drop them on the ground for the surplus market
: ("The Miracle of the Loaves and Fishes").

I think you need to sell some of your guns and get butter as I think the
lack of food has befuddled your brain.

Eric

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