If Cost did Equal V^2, So What was Re: Spaceship One stepping-stone or dead-end?

From: redneckj (redneckj_at_tampabay.rr.com)
Date: 10/03/04


Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 23:35:09 GMT


"Edward Wright" <edwright2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> greg@see-web-page.edu (Greg Kuperberg) wrote in message
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> > But I didn't ask for hundreds of real-world examples. How about *one*?
>
> It's impossible to prove a statistical model by one data point.
>
> How about picking up a book on statistics?

So what if costs were to go as the square of velocity. We've been using
~9,000 m/s to orbit on these groups as a round number for years.
Were SS1 to launch into a partial orbital trajectory instead of the
vertical,
final velocity would be in the mach 4 range with a much lower peak.
It would achieve this after overcoming virtually all drag and backpressure
losses and most of the gravity losses. Remaining velocity to orbit
would be in the 6,600-6,800m/s range. SS1 is getting 1/4 of the total V
to orbit behind it, not 1/8.

4 squared is 16 times the development cost of SS1 for a total of $480M.
4 cubed is 64 " " " " " " " "
" " $1.92B.
These numbers are based on the $30M high end. So for the cost of
between 1 and 4 shuttle flights, (assuming they were actually flying)
this orbital transportation system could be developed. The next several
tail numbers could be expected to be somewhat lower. If this would
get us constant access to orbit at reasonable recurring costs, it would be
a bargain.

I have no idea what the actual factor is, or even if a valid one exists.
I just wanted to point out that Kuperbergs' Law would not be a show
stopper. Further, I don't consider SS1 to be the poster child of cheap
development.



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