Re: Vote for Bush! Re: Pres Bush Left

From: Marty Feldman (n2themiddle_at_aol.com)
Date: 10/20/04 

Date: 20 Oct 2004 09:33:50 -0700

Eric <notValid@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<c4mdd.272555$MQ5.110118@attbi_s52>...
> Chandra P. Das wrote:
>
> > Eric Chomko wrote:
> >> Chandra P. Das (vze1sar1@verizon.net) wrote:
> >> : Eric Chomko wrote:
> >> : > Dale (dmh7@citilink.com) wrote:
> >> : >
>
> >> : > : No argument there. Gore was a hard pill to swallow. Truth is, he
> >> : > : probably could have easily won Tennessee, if he had only allowed
> >> : > : Clinton to barnstorm there, instead of stupidly attempting to
> >> : > : distance himself from the guy in some ugly and dull Puritan reflex.
> >> : > : I suspect he thought he was better than Bubba...
> >> : >
> >> : > Yes, distancing himself from Clinton was stupid. Those two factors
> >> : > (TN and Clinton) cost him the election.
>
> >> : If I had to choose between the two, I'd definitely sympathise more with
> >> : the Democrats. But why these guys are hell-bent on proving to me
> >> : repeatedly that their stratigsts have no brains at all kind of puzzles
> >> : me though. Seems like they want the votes but aren't willing to do any
> >> : work to get them.
> >>
> >>
> >> This trend started 10 years ago when the GOP took over Congress majority.
> >> I think the average Dem is content and doesn't want to go out of their
> >> way politically. It will take another event like the Great Depression or
> >> Watergate to change things.
> >
> > Forgot to add this: the Iraqi debacle should've been enough to throw the
> > GOP out for a while. But what we're seeing instead is the
> > Republicanization of Democrats. And this is because of the post-9/11
> > conservativization of the American public.
>
> Not hardly, its because you Democrats don't get it. You want to bring
> America down to the level of a 3rd world nation and Republicans want to
> improve America, make it better, stronger, safer, and in a position to
> defend Freedom and spread Democracy world wide.

it's the bush admin that's willfully undermining democracy, such as
delaying the 9/11 commission report...then they flip-flop and endorse
much of its recommendations. it's also very undemocratic to deceive
congress with half-truths about the WMD threat in order to launch a
war.

of all the administrations in modern history, it's the bush admin
that's the most disdainful of democratic checks and balances, with all
their secrecy and contempt for congress or the public good. they're
the least qualified to bring democracy to other nations, and moreover,
to a nation as factionalized as iraq. so, the likelyhood of democracy
there was extremely difficult to begin with -- even if the bush admin
didn't make elemental blunders in the aftermath -- but with the
blunders it's virtually impossible within the next 10 years or so, in
my estimation. it's gone so poorly, there's a sizeable portion of the
middle east who think the "blunders" were intentional. it's at the
point where "democracy" as hyped by america, is equated with
colonialism by arabs.

but, hey, maybe all these fantasies about growing nice-and-easy
democracies through republican-controlled US government intervention
will create a new generation of more government, more taxation
conservatives. lol. but don't tell them that. shhh. it's funnier
if conservatives don't realize they're going to end up advocating
higher taxes (either US or iraqi taxes), big government social
programs in their march for freedom in iraq. one day, they'll realize
the march for freedom in the middle east, is in effect, a march into
moderate liberalism and that's when the conservative movement will
crack.

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