Re: Keep the US/Can border open

From: JustMe (JustMe_at_NoSpam.nyet)
Date: 10/26/04 

Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:28:07 -0700

"Eric Chomko" <echomko_at_@polaris.umuc.edu> wrote in message
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> JustMe (JustMe@NoSpam.nyet) wrote:
>
> : "Eric Chomko" <echomko_at_@polaris.umuc.edu> wrote in message
> : news:clgpo1$2594$2@news.ums.edu...
> : > JustMe (JustMe@NoSpam.nyet) wrote:
> : >
> : > : "John Savard" <jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote in message
> : > : news:417b0751.13094786@news.ecn.ab.ca...
> : > : > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:09:38 GMT, "Jim Oberg"
> : > : > <jameseoberg@houston.rr.com> wrote, in part:
> : > : >
> : > : > >Keep the border open. In 'Nam, Canada sent us more volunteers
than
> : > : > >there were yellow-bellies who ran there for cover, and the
Canucks
> : > : > >came south to FIGHT, not FLEE. It was a fair trade. I didn't want
> : > : > >any of the flee-ers back, but Peanut-brain Prez pardoned 'em.
> : > : >
> : > : > Of course, since that war was not prosecuted to victory, it was
tragic
> : > : > and pointless that any American boys were ever sent to Vietnam to
> : fight.
> : > : >
> : > : > Their sacrifice was honorable, but their country betrayed them, by
> : being
> : > : > unwilling to continue to obtain what it was they fought for -
freedom
> : > : > for the people of South Vietnam.
> : > : >
> : > : > Surely, therefore, it is the Congressmen who prevented Gerald Ford
> : from
> : > : > giving the Republic of Viet-Nam the aid it required, and that
passed a
> : > : > law preventing him from sending troops back there in the event, as
> : > : > transpired, that the Vietnamization strategy proved to be
premature,
> : who
> : > : > are far more to be condemned than any draft-dodgers.
> : > : >
> : >
> : > : Actually, it was the American people that caused Congress to act
thusly.
> : > : Shame on them!
> : >
> : >
> : > Yeah, we the people did it, nothing about North Vietnam having a
superior
> : > plan or that they were fight for their own country where we were mere
> : > proxies. We just needed more troops and more time...
>
> : You must be one of Vince's campfollowers. The only superior plan was to
> : convince the american sheaple to withdraw support for the Republic of
> : Vietnam. Try to understand that when Saigon fell in April of 1975,
American
> : forces had been gone for 2 years.
>
> I don't know who Vince is. I am aware that we went back to fighting a
> covert war from 1973-75 before Saigon fell. We started covertly (1954),
> then went overt (1965), and then back to covert (1973). Your point is? We
> broke our treaty from 1973?

My point was there was no superior plan, we defeated ourselves thanks to
folks like Fonda, Hayden and Kerry. Covert action in Vietnam between 73 and
75? You must be on some good ***.
>
> : >
> : > How would Vietnam be different today had we "won"? Anyone have any
idea?
> : >
>
> : Like the Republic of Korea or Republic of China. Now contrast them to
their
> : communist counterparts.
>
> North Korea is scarey and many folks (younger) in South Korea hate us.
> Taiwan is an ally, but we slapped them in the face by making mainland
> China most favored nation WRT trade. Just don't try and trade missile
> technology to China or you'll be labeled a traitor. All real confusing.

Not confusing at all. Anyone trading missile tech with China is a traitor.
Again you missed the point. The ROK and ROC are successful nations in the
world community. Their counterparts are not necessarily so. China has an
abysmal human rights record and Korea speaks for itself. None of their
success has anything to do with whether they like us or not. The U.S. is
responsible for setting the stage to that success.
>
> Anyway, last I heard is that Vietnam wants to be like South Korea and
> Taiwan WRT trade. They can't be like China due to the lack of a labor
> force that large. So, where are we now WRT the far east? Probably in the
> same damn place we would have been without the Vietnam War!!

No, actually not. Had we not drawn the line in Vietnam, in all likelihood,
all of South East Asia including Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and the
Philippines would be under the communist thumb. Instead, they are more
examples of successful members of the world community who's people elect
their government. Note the recent peaceful changing of the guard in Malaysia
this month. They too, may not like us but, we are responsible for setting
the stage for that success.
>
> Thanks for asking.

I didn't ask. Try some Asian history or Asian political science.
>
> Eric
>

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