Re: Keep the US/Can border open

From: Eric Chomko (echomko_at__at_polaris.umuc.edu)
Date: 10/27/04 

Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:37:21 +0000 (UTC)

JustMe (JustMe@NoSpam.nyet) wrote:

: "Eric Chomko" <echomko_at_@polaris.umuc.edu> wrote in message
: news:clmcja$1ta9$1@news.ums.edu...
[...]

: > : > I don't know who Vince is. I am aware that we went back to fighting a
: > : > covert war from 1973-75 before Saigon fell. We started covertly
: (1954),
: > : > then went overt (1965), and then back to covert (1973). Your point is?
: We
: > : > broke our treaty from 1973?
: >
: > : My point was there was no superior plan, we defeated ourselves thanks to
: > : folks like Fonda, Hayden and Kerry. Covert action in Vietnam between 73
: and
: > : 75? You must be on some good ***.
: >
: > We tell me what we were doing in S. Vietnam from 1973 (peace accords)
: > until we evacuated in 75? It is called "limited hangout" and any fool
: > knows this. Covert operation. Easy to figure out.
: >
: > I notice that in your world leftists are the devil. Do you like playing
: > the victim of the evil lefties?
: >
: > I won't even claim that all the evil of the world or my problems come from
: > righties. I have more personal responsibility than that! How does it feel
: > to have a lefty call you out on your supposed higher personal
: > characteristics? You should be ashamed! The operative word in your moniker
: > being "just", which has nothing to do with justice.
: >
: > : > : >
: > : > : > How would Vietnam be different today had we "won"? Anyone have any
: > : idea?
: > : > : >
: > : >
: > : > : Like the Republic of Korea or Republic of China. Now contrast them
: to
: > : their
: > : > : communist counterparts.
: > : >
: > : > North Korea is scarey and many folks (younger) in South Korea hate us.
: > : > Taiwan is an ally, but we slapped them in the face by making mainland
: > : > China most favored nation WRT trade. Just don't try and trade missile
: > : > technology to China or you'll be labeled a traitor. All real
: confusing.
: >
: > : Not confusing at all. Anyone trading missile tech with China is a
: traitor.
: >
: > How so? They are our nation MOST FAVORED WRT trade. Explain how they are
: > most favored and yet tarding with them can be considered being a traitor
: > at the same time.
: > It is called "speaking with forked tongue" of which the American Indians
: > accused of us a long time ago. It is alive and well in minds like yours.
: > And the reason that I mention it is that it was Reagan who made China MFN
: > WRT trade.
: >
: > : Again you missed the point. The ROK and ROC are successful nations in
: the
: > : world community. Their counterparts are not necessarily so. China has an
: > : abysmal human rights record and Korea speaks for itself. None of their
: > : success has anything to do with whether they like us or not. The U.S. is
: > : responsible for setting the stage to that success.
: >
: > Explain this responsibility. Why is it ours? How can you have success in
: > a relationship when only one side is responsible? Try that in a
: > marriage and see how long it lasts. Try it as a parent and your child is
: > doomed.
: >
: > This whole things smacks of manager theory X and Y.
: >
: > : > Anyway, last I heard is that Vietnam wants to be like South Korea and
: > : > Taiwan WRT trade. They can't be like China due to the lack of a labor
: > : > force that large. So, where are we now WRT the far east? Probably in
: the
: > : > same damn place we would have been without the Vietnam War!!
: >
: > : No, actually not. Had we not drawn the line in Vietnam, in all
: likelihood,
: > : all of South East Asia including Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and the
: > : Philippines would be under the communist thumb.
: >
: > There is absolutely no proof that that is true or that the "Domino Theory"
: > was anything other than an excuse to have a war in Indochina.
: >
: > Your we-can-do-no-wrong, God-is-on-our-side spin is showing, and there is
: > ALWAYS reason to suspect that type of thinking as being different than
: > reality (i.e the truth).
: >
: > : Instead, they are more
: > : examples of successful members of the world community who's people elect
: > : their government. Note the recent peaceful changing of the guard in
: Malaysia
: > : this month. They too, may not like us but, we are responsible for
: setting
: > : the stage for that success.
: >
: > Yes, you actually believe that we are the cops-of-the-world and that it is
: > our duty to spread freedom-and-democracy(TM) around the globe like
: > Christians spread Christianity.
: >
: > One minor problem with your lead-by-example theory: WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY
: > OR A REPUBLIC. WE ARE A PLUTOCRATIC OLIGARCHY.
: >
: > : > Thanks for asking.
: >
: > : I didn't ask. Try some Asian history or Asian political science.
: >
: > Who and what do you recommend? I mean if you claim to have some knwoledge
: > surely you can provide actual references.
: >
: > You should read "JFK and Vietnam", by John M. Newman. BTW, Newman is an
: > expert in "Asian history or Asian political science".
: >
: > Eric
: >

: Fred was right. Idiot! <plonk>

Hah, another one bites the dust! Weaklings! Can't argue the facts, so they
run. Couldn't even supply a reference to back up his inane claims.

Go vote for Bush you clown as you deserve what you get!

Plonk yourself!

Eric