Re: Scientists against Bush or Swift Boats against Kerry - whom would you believe? Tin cans don't have minds!

From: Kevin Brooks (brooksvmi_at_notyahoo.com)
Date: 11/08/04 

Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:58:02 -0500

"*** Morris" <ramorris@isomedia.com> wrote in message
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> "Kevin Brooks" <brooksvmi@notyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "*** Morris" <ramorris@isomedia.com> wrote in message
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>> > "Kevin Brooks" <brooksvmi@notyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> >> "*** Morris" <ramorris@isomedia.com> wrote in message
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>> >> > "John Redman" <johnphilipredman@hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com>
>> > wrote
>> >> > in
>> >> > message news:cmjr8h$6uc$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> >> >> "*** Morris" <ramorris@isomedia.com> wrote
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > You can believe whoever you want to believe. The Navy has never
>> >> >> > been
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > habit of awarding medals to whoever asks for them, so until I see
>> > your
>> >> >> > evidence, I will believe the Navy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Unfortunately, that's the problem, ***. You see, *Kerry* doesn't
>> > believe
>> >> >> the Navy. Gets wounded, says it was by enemy fire, gets a PH, then
> in
>> > his
>> >> >> autobiog he mentions that, as at 10 days later, he'd never been
> under
>> >> > enemy
>> >> >> fire.
>> >> >
>> >> > Let's see some quotes from the book. In context.
>> >>
>> >> OK. Brinkley (a charter member of the Kerry fanclub), in his book
>> >> "Tour
>> >> of
>> >> Duty" (which was essentially commissioned by Kerry himself), quoted
>> >> the
>> >> following from Kerry's 11 December 1968 journal entry (nine days
> *after*
>> > he
>> >> supposedly received his first "wound" in what he has *since*
>> >> characterized
>> >> as his "first intense combat" on 2 December): "A cocky feeling of
>> >> invincibility accompanied us up the Long Tau shipping channel because
> we
>> >> hadn't been shot at yet, and Americans at war who haven't been shot at
>> >> are
>> >> allowed to be cocky."
>> >>
>> >> Note the words, "...we hadn't been shot at yet..." Is that good
>> >> enough
>> > for
>> >> you?
>> >
>> > Sounds like a memory lapse, or an editing problem to me. Stuff
>> > happens.
>>
>> ROFLOL! That was a quote from his wartime journal, written *at the time*!
> If
>> you seriously think that he FORGOT having been shot at, at supposedly
> being
>> *wounded* during the same "engagement*, just NINE DAYS earlier, then you
> are
>> wearing your blinders incorrectly--they are supposed to prevent
>> peripheral
>> vision, and should not be worn so as to prevent any and all vision
>> altogether.
>>
>> Don't worry, you are not the only person (or for that matter usenet
> poster)
>> who has had a problem explaining Kerry's words from 11 December and their
>> contradiction of his later claims regarding what *supposedly* occured on
>> 2
>> December--most just stick their heads in the sand and ignore all
> references
>> to it, not having any kind of sensible answer. At least you took a stab
>> at
>> explaining it--your explanation is ridiculous to the extreme, but you
>> gave
>> it the ol' college try....
>>
> I haven't read the book, and I suspect you haven't either, so I will have
> to
> go out and buy a copy.

I am not going to *pay* good money for that fluff piece--that is what
libraries are for (and reading the excerpts quoted elsewhere on the web).

I specifically asked you to put the quote in
> context,

What more context could you need? He said that as of 11 Dec they had yet to
be fired at by the bad guys, Fact is, that is nine days *after* the 2 Dec
"action" for which he got his first Purple Heart. If you doubt that date, go
to his own website and look at the documentation.

> but you quoted only one sentence, without even a page reference.
> You did not provide any quote at all for Kerry's first contact with the
> enemy, just a statement that it was a "later claim".

Do your own google and you will find where he has commented on the 2 Dec
mission elsewhere.

That hardly
> constitutes evidence. I remember each and every time I got shot at in
> Vietnam, though the dates tended to fade rather quickly.

Did you keep a journal at the time, as Kerry did? HE is the source that
provided those journals to Brinkley--it came back to bite him on the ***
when his infamous "seared into my memory" crap about supposedly having been
inside cambodia on 24 Dec came up, and Brinkley had to sheepishly admit that
Kerry's journal entry from that date did not support that claim, either.

>
> I've had it up to here with quotes being taken out of context and twisted
> to
> mean something other than what the person intended.

And I have had it past there with folks who are so blindly committed to
Kerry that they are willing to ignore the contradictions in his OWN
differing accounts. Enjoy the next four years...

Brooks

<snip further puffery>