Re: Scientists against Bush or Swift Boats against Kerry - whom would you believe? Tin cans don't have minds!

From: *** Morris (ramorris_at_isomedia.com)
Date: 11/09/04 

Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:32:44 -0800

"Jack Love" <jackxxloveyy@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On 08 Nov 2004 05:52:34 GMT, gherbert@retro.com (George William
> Herbert) wrote:
>
> >*** Morris <ramorris@isomedia.com> wrote:
> >>When the President of the United States calls you, you FIND OUT what's
going
> >>on.
> >
> >***...
> >
> >The President being on the phone with you does not improve
> >lateral communications channels. There's nothing magic about
> >the President calling you that makes serious structural
> >communications problems go away. The 9/11 commission
> >report clearly details what was wrong and it's hard to
> >see how any single person at any level working with the
> >system as it stood and reacted could have fixed that.

Who was responsible for the system as it stood? If terrorism had been a
priority with the incoming Bush administration, they could have corrected
structural problems by executive order. And if there are structural
problems, it becomes even more important for sombody to take charge to pull
the loose ends together.
> >
> >Throwing weight around and screwing with subordinates
> >inappropriately is a good way to make crisis response
> >worse not better.
> >
> >Being so upset with Bush that you would prefer grossly
> >abusive and ineffective crisis management behaviour to
> >what he actually did is disturbed behaviour on your part.

I never said that Bush should be "abusive". Good leaders know how to lead
without being abusive. That's one of the defining characteristics of a good
leader.

What *I* find disturbing is the notion that the nation would have "panicked"
to see Bush rush out of the classroom (as if Bush reading "My Pet Goat" was
being broadcast live nationwide), and that "nothing" was the best thing that
Bush could have done. That's a sad commentary on Bush's leadership ability,
if nothing else. I also find it disturbing that so many are willing to make
excuses for Bush's inaction.
>
> It's pretty clear that Mr. Morris hasn't managed anything much more
> complex than a Cub Scout patrol or he'd have a bit more clues in hand
> about how difficult coordination of numerous groups gets when top
> management starts pointlessly stick their oars in.

In the past, I have led avionics hardware and software design groups.
Currently, as a Liaison Engineer, my job is to coordinate between groups
like QA, Manufacturing, Project Engineering, DER's, Standards, Flight Test,
etc. The biggest problems I have had are when management will not make a
decision, leaving me in the middle of a pissing contest. You should stop
jumping to conclusions based on zero information.
>
> >
> >-george william herbert
> >gherbert@retro.com
>

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