Re: Lamination as a tool for distinguishing microbial and metazoan biosystems

From: jonathan (Write_at_Instead.com)
Date: 11/14/04 

Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:03:04 -0500

"Aidan Karley" <aidan@mynameplus1.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <419431c8$1_1@127.0.0.1>, Jonathan wrote:
> > > You must not be familiar with the concentrations of cave pearls,
> >
> > I've seen plenty of pics of them. And every little bowl
> > is different from the next one due to different water flow etc.
> > And none of them have asymetrical features such as a
> > single aperture or off-center slash, but are highly
> > symmetrical since they were formed by moving water.
> >
> Actually, typical cave pearls are formed in situations where the
> water body is *agitated*, but does not have any great flow rate.
> A typical situation is where you have a water drip into a clay
> floor - the water will hollow out a splash pool into the clay (size
> depends on drip rate), from which the water seeps away steadily over
> the lip. So the net flow rate is quite low - the drip rate - but the
> material in the splash pool is quite well agitated by the individual
> drips. The agitation is what maintains the symmetry of the "pearl".

So, where does the water drip from at Meridiani? Where are the
caves? The only bowls I see at Meridiani are carved by wind
rolling the spheres around. Is anyone seriously claiming the
Meridiani spheres are cave pearls???

I think the lamination formed from processes such as these.
http://www.nps.gov/yell/slidefile/thermalfeatures/hotsprings/mammoth/images/05709.jpg

Look familiar?
http://mars.gh.wh.uni-dortmund.de/mer/opportunity/269/tn/1P152067393EFF37B5P2438L5M1_L2L5L5L7L7.jpg.html

And a hot spring like mammoth is a system that is ideal for, and dominated
by, bacteria. When the environment is ideal for life, and the observations
show features that cannot be explained by geology, what is left but
life as an explanation?

Why does everyone ignore the obvious?

I think the reason is it's assumed life is the least likely possibility
and requires the most proof. The assumption that life is the
result of extraordinary luck and equally rare is at fault. In truth, life is
the most probable final state given suitable conditions and enough time.
You know that nature, like market systems, self-tune to the ideal
conditions. What you won't accept is that this is also a property of
non-living systems. For example, every stable solar system will
have a water zone.

The chaos and complexity sciences I hobby in are not
about chaos, but about order. And how order is created
and modeled abstractly.

The difference between geology and life could not be easier
to see. Geology creates less order over time, is erosion
driven and shows random distributions. Life creates more order
over time and is cyclic. One diffuses the other concentrates.
Comparing the Spirit and Meridiani sites makes this distinction
as easy to see ..as is possible.

Self-Organization & Entropy - The Terrible Twins
http://www.calresco.org/extropy.htm

You science types <g> still cling to the notion that
creation is a random walk through state space. This
is the result of using particle physics as a foundation
for understanding reality and nature.

That is the wrong frame of reference to use fellas.

Thermodynamics should be the starting point for
the search for universal laws. And the 'fourth law'
given by complexity science shows that creation
and reality are directed, not random, walks towards
ever higher emergent properties.

Reality is understood through nature NOT the other
way around. Wrong frame guys, science has been
using the wrong frame of reference for too far long
now, time to right that wrong. The universal laws
of the universe are derived from the observation
of nature/thermodynamics. Not particle physics
and space-time.

Dynamics of Complex Systems
Full Online Text
http://www.necsi.org/publications/dcs/

The truth is /not/ that life is the last possibility, the truth
is that creation is what the universe does first, best
and every chance it gets.

When faced with the indefinable, life should be the
assumption.

The spheres have equal aspects of geology and life.
They cannot fit into either category nicely. They
are at a phase transition between geology and
life. They cannot be defined.

This is the abstract mathematical property expected from the
first form of life to evolve anywhere.

Meridiani...the spheres..are imho the template for
the Garden of Eden. This is a beauty of unspeakable
magnificence.

Jonathan

"But nature is a stranger yet;
  The ones that cite her most
Have never passed her haunted house,
  Nor simplified her ghost.

To pity those that know her not
  Is helped by the regret
That those who know her, know her less
  The nearer her they get"

By E Dickinson

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