Re: Why Conservatives Should Vote for Kerry

From: Eric Chomko (echomko_at__at_polaris.umuc.edu)
Date: 11/27/04 

Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 04:59:05 +0000 (UTC)

Terrell Miller (millerto@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: "Eric Chomko" <echomko_at_@polaris.umuc.edu> wrote in message
: news:cntg4b$dud$1@news.ums.edu...

: > : Eric, have you ever actually been to Dealey Plaza? It's *tiny*. The
: > Grassy
: > : Knoll area is about the size of my front yard, which measures 35 feet
: > deep
: > : by 75 feet wide. If there were really anobody up there they would have
: > been
: > : easily visible. You would have been able to see the whites of their eyes
: > and
: > : whether they had food stains on their shirts, not just vague shapes.
: >
: > Have I ever been there? See this link of my original images:
: > http://members.verizon.net/~vze2wsvr/images/DP

: that makes it even worse for you, dude. You've been all around DP but you
: still have no clue what you saw.

Right, so all the books that described where everyone one was wrong?
Sounds like unless I didn't see what Brennan saw, I didn't see anything.
You would have made a fine FBI agent 'investgating' the case back in
11/63.

: > Everyone was looking at JFK not at the picket fence on the Grassy Knoll.

: I stood right at the point where Babushka Lady and Moorman were standing,
: facing the GK. You could *easily* see anybody behind either the concrete
: divider (who would have been easily visible to others standing on the GK) or
: behind the wooden fence.

Right and some said they saw something there. Others have reported
nothing.

" Again, the entire GK is about the size of my front
: yard, adn I am on a tiny lot. As I write this I can look out my front
: window, across the street, and clearly see my neighbors who are twice as far
: from me as anybody on the GK wouyld have been from the limo and
: eyewitnesses.

Let me parade Shania Twain past your front walk in a nice skimpy outfit
and you tell me what you see in the side yard.

: > : And not to put too fine a point on it, but the area immediately behind
: > the
: > : GK is some of the most open terrain you could ask for. There would have
: > been
: > : *no way* that anybody up there would have been able to avoid detection,
: > : either during the assault or immediately afterwards. There's simply no
: > area
: > : they could have disappeared into. The railroad stockyard is too far
: > away,
: > : and the parking lot is easily visible from several vantage points in the
: > : Plaza itself.
: >
: > I agree, no way that someone would have avoided detection. And that is why
: > Lee Bowers reported seeing a flash of light and something out of the
: > ordinary.

: Odd that he didn't see any actual people in that position, innit?

There were many cars in the way. But he did say that he saw something.

: > He was in the raised building near the railyard. Why Ed Hoffman
: > reported seeing a man running disassmebling something. Why 1/3 of the
: > witnesses claimed a shot from the right front.

: and 2/3 did not.

Right, but those 2/3 didn't necessarily claim a shot from behind either.
The damning part is the fact that many witnesses were simply ignored
unless they claim the TSBD. That's the travesty and is certainly one of
the biggest indicators.

: You may have noticed that, just like any other sudden
: incident, eyewitness testimony about what they saw and heard (and did) is
: wildly variant and often contradictory.

Yes, but the ones that listen to the eyewitnesses followed a distinct
pattern by only accepting those that claim the TSBD and ignore the ones
that claimed something from the GK.

: > "Six Seconds in Dallas" by Josiah Thompson goes into details about the
: > eyewitnesses.

: so does "Case Closed"

CC does nothing even close to SSID.

: > The Warren Commission Hearings do the same. Why were they
: > all ignored in favor of Brennan's claim that a shooter was in the book
: > depository?

: Why did the Secret Service agents turn around and stare directly up at the
: 6th floor window?

A few did. Others in the motorcade claim something from the right front.

: > You see it isn't that eyewitness accounts of another shooter
: > don't exist. They do. What has never been explained is why their testimony
: > has been ignored.

: it's not ignored, it is *unsubstantiated*. You seem to have a rather naive
: and uninformed "understanding" of the reliability of eyewitness testimony.

No, I understand unsubstantiated and I understand ignored. They were
ignored.

: > : And any window on the 6th floor of the TSBD would have made for an
: > *easy*
: > : shot. Look out any window in the 6th Floor Museum and you will see this
: > very
: > : clearly.
: >
: > No. A shot that hit JFK in the back of the head would have exited through
: > his face.

: nope, again you were in DP but totally missed the obvious. As it winds
: through DP, Elm Street goes downhill and curves in toward Main Street. The
: head shot occurred, by one of those tiny coincidences that are the hallmark
: of any disaster, just as the limo was at the precise point on Elm where the
: downhill slope was greatest and the angle away from the centerline of DP
: (and thus the centerline of the TSBD) was greatest.

Nope, the centerline lines up with the Daltex building.

: The upshot of which is that, as seen from anywhere in the TSBD, Kennedy (who
: was slumped to his left slightly, with his face turned towards the
: floorboard) shoed the back left of his head, not the back right. A bullet
: coming from teh SE corner of the TSBD on a downward angle would have done
: *precisely* what the head shot did, enter in the upper right part of the
: back of his skull and emerge from the right front.

He was slumpoed alright and a shot from the right front hit him in the
side of the head between the right eye and right ear. It exited the back
of the skull in the direction of County Rec bldg after snapping him
backward into an upright position.

: > Also, it is much easier (Occums Razor)

: the original spelling was Ockham (as in William of...) these days the
: accepted spelling is "Occam"

Hey, what ever is easiset, right?

: > to claim the Connoly and
: > JFK were hit by two different bullets. It takes a conspircay to claim that
: > a single bullet did all that damage.

: no, just a careful and objective and reasonably-well-informed understanding
: of physics.

No, a forced situiation that came to being in summer of 64.

: > The REAL conspiracy is claiming that
: > one bullet caused 7 wounds in two men and came out whole and intact.

: the bullet recovered in Parkland (the one derisively named the "magic
: bullet" by ignorant CTers) is neither intact nor pristine. It exhibits
: pronounced flattening and twisting in the back, and the base is pooched
: outwards.

But weighs the about the same as an unfired round and is in a single
piece.

: > : To sum up: there is simply no credible evidence to suggest that Oswald
: > could
: > : not and did not fire all the shots.
: >
: > I beg to differ. The evidence of Oswald doing what he did was twisted so
: > much that actual fables HAD to me made up to keep the lone nut myth alive.

: unfortunately for you there is no credible, consistent evidence to support
: your claim.

Sure there is, the myths have been told over and over again due to a lack
of desire for thr truth. More than one shooter is messy. One shooter can
be swept under the rug, after he is killed that is.

Eric

: --
: Terrell Miller
: millerto@bellsouth.net

: "The truth will set you free. So will pork and beans."
: -She Devil's Father

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