Re: Northrup Grumman - CEV Prime

From: Edward Wright (edwright2000_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 11/28/04 

Date: 28 Nov 2004 12:42:26 -0800

"Ed Kyle" <edkyle99@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<1101621769.705811.103140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...

> > I suggest you read the SpaceX web site.
>
> I did. It says Falcon can do 660 kg to a 200 km orbit
> from Canaveral.

Read again. There's more than one Falcon.

> No. It means that it hasn't been built. Which means
> that it might not ever be built. Do you believe
> everything that a venture capitalist says will happen,
> will happen?

CEV hasn't been built, but you're certain NASA can build that, no
matter how many previous attempts have failed.

If a government agency says it will build something, success is
guaranteed, but if private enterprise says it will build something,
it's sure to fail?

Interesting double standard.
 
> > Do you think computers still cost millions of dollars because that's
> > what UNIVAC cost?
>
> Some basic advances in technology (transistors and
> integrated circuits) allowed that to happen. No
> similar breakthrough advances in rocketry's base
> technology have occured.

No breakthroughs are necessary,
 
> > Let's see. Montgomery Wards went bankrupt. So, you must think all
> > department stores will go bankrupt, right? Therefore, unless NASA
> > builds a department store, all department store shopping in the US
> > will come to an end?
>
> You've been shopping again, haven't you? :)

No, I'm just applying Kyle logic. If one rocket company or department
store fails, all will fail... right?

> at least you're noting that it is NASA, not private
> enterprise, that has a human orbital space launch
> capability to begin with. Fourth generation too.
> Private enterprise is on generation zero.

If you do some checking, you'll find that NASA doesn't have a human
orbital space launch capability this year.

You'll also find that NASA hasn't managed to build a new manned
spacecraft in more than 25 years. Despite many, many billions of
dollars spent on NASP, Shuttle II, X-33, X-34, X-37, 2GRLV, and OSP,
among others.

Now, please support your claim that private enterprise has failed on a
larger scale than that. Show evidence that private enterprise has
invested tens of billions in manned space over the last 25 years, with
nothing to show for it.

Or admit you were wrong.

> > Why is SpaceShip One a failure? Because it didn't confirm your
> > preconceived notion that only governments can do it?

> SpaceShipOne is not an orbital spacecraft.

I see. Neither was Mercury-Redstone, yet you call that NASA's
first-generation.

When private enterprise does the same thing, for 1% the cost, you say
it's a failure and "generation zero."

Even though SpaceShip One should have been impossible by Kyle logic,
which says no one can develop anything cheaper than the US government.

When private enterprise builds an orbital spacecraft, will you say
that's a failure also?

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