Re: Why Conservatives Should Vote for Kerry

From: Eric Chomko (echomko_at__at_polaris.umuc.edu)
Date: 12/14/04 

Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:39:30 +0000 (UTC)

Terrell Miller (millerto@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: "Eric Chomko" <echomko_at_@polaris.umuc.edu> wrote in message
: news:cpkmgn$2qv0$1@news.ums.edu...

: > : There is no, repeat no, credible evidence for any other shooter than
: > Oswald
: > : in Dealy Plaza that day.
: >
: > The credible evidence states that Oswald didn't fire a shot.

: so you're saying that the DPD forensics team produced no credible evidence,
: eh?

You seem to think so.

: You might want to read a book called "JFK: First Day Evidence" by Gary
: Savage. he was a proto-CSI working for the DPD that day. He processed the
: Carcano and stood right next to Oswald while he was officially charged late
: Friday night.

You should be so concerned what a host of doctors from Parklawn thought
about JFK's wounds.

: At any rate, he's very detailed about how they handled the evidence. Good if
: inexpertly-written read.

What did he state?

: > The credible
: > evidence is that the last shot was a frangible bullet shot from the right
: > front. The credible evidence states that JFK and Connoly were hit by
: > seperate bullets. The credible evidence states that shots came from behind
: > and in front.

: nope, just a flawed "understanding" of ballistics

No, what you describe is someone postulating how a single bullet could do
what CE399 is said to have done.

: > : Again: DP is a *tiny* place. You've been there, I shouldn't have to be
: > : telling you this. There is *no way* that anybody on the GK could have
: > : avoided detection. There's nowhere to hide from the back, and the GK is
: > so
: > : tiny that anybody up there could have easily been seen from many
: > different
: > : vantage points in DP.
: >
: > You forget that the distraction at the time was the motorcade. EVERYONE
: > was looking at the motorcade and JFK in particular. The shots acted as an
: > interruption, but that was all of about 6 seconds. How long does it take
: > to have an interruption interpretted? Heck, in 15 seconds the whole thing
: > was over. Who there is going to be able to act rationally in any timeframe
: > to be able see anything? The issue is that folks DID claim to see
: > something, and that behind the picket fence. When you say detection,
: > something was detected. You LNers simply discount it, therefore it didn't
: > happen. Totally false reasoning. Who there was going to be able to catch
: > someone?

: there's nowhere to hide behind the GK, Eric. Just not possible. If there had
: been shooters up there, the witnesses would have seen people running away or
: lurking behind cars. That simply did not happen.

Lee Bowers, Ed Hoffman, Sam Holland, others on the RR bridge. People DID
see something there. You act like NOTHING was seen. That is simply not
true. Read the WCH testimony.

Also, there was a man preventing people entering the area behind the GK
with a Secret Service badge, though ALL SS agents in DP were in the
motorcade. Who was that man?

: > : One of the ironies of CTers is that they start to acknowledge this by
: > : pointing out how many people started rushing up the GK after the first
: > : moments of stunned confusion (although some CTers leave out the
: > "standing
: > : around in shock" part and claim that people *immediately* started
: > running up
: > : there), because that supports their claims that there *were* other
: > gunmen in
: > : DP that day.
: >
: > No one did ANYTHING immediately other than the shooters. THAT is the
: > point!
: >
: > : But that begs the question: okay, so where were the shooters then? Where
: > did
: > : they go?
: >
: > Out the side door of the TSBD on to Houston St. Toward the RR tracks from
: > the GK. All this is spelled out in "Six Seconds in Dallas". Your claim
: > that the shooters couldn't have gotten away has the real big flaw. Oswald,
: > whom you claim was the only shooter, got away! Got away undetected, just
: > like anyone else could have!

: that's a rather strange usage of teh word "undetected", since within three
: minutes of the shooting Oswald was stopped at gunpoint in the lunchroom by
: one of the motorcycle cops who had stormed into the TSBD, had a very brief
: conversation with the building super, walked outside, and been accosted by
: Robert MacNeil who was looking for the nearest pay phone.

It was 90 seconds. The point is that Oswald was not apprehended on the
scene. Why do you expect other shooters would have been when Oswald, who
you claim did all the shooting, was not?

: > : And it's at this point that CTers have to resort to uncorroborated
: > : eyewitness accounts of people claiming to be Secret Service agents, or
: > they
: > : have to concoct these elaborate escape routes. Etc., etc.
: >
: > The eyewitness acounts are corroborated in the WC hearings (WCH) testimony
: > You should read them sometime and stop relying on what LNer writers
: > tell you.

: I've read them. They do nothing whatsoever resembling what you say they do.

Yes, they do. SSID breaks them down by the numbers as well.

: > Tell me why the WCR is so different than the WCH testimony?

: because it's a synthesis of thousands of pages of testimony and evidence,
: just like the 9/11 Report.

Hopefully the 9/11 Report is much more accurate than the WR, ahich is a
fabrication.

: They had to summarize in order to tell the tale.

Tell a tale is really what you mean.

: > The BEST
: > evidence for a conspricy is in the WCH.

: Wellsir, it's surely not in any of the CT books I've ever read, that's for
: sure ;)

The ones that use the WCH as a reference it sure is.

: > : In short, when a CTer is faced with the utter lack of evidence
: > supporting
: > : his theory, he has to rely on gimmickry, deception, vagueness,
: > redirection,
: > : and a whole bunch of other little white lies.
: >
: > False, no we simple go to the WCH to support our claim.

: which contradictory parts of the testimony do you go to?

: Answer: whichever part suits you, of course :(

The exact same thing can be said of the LNT.

: <snip>

: > : you mean the Disney reality like where the police department and the FBI
: > and
: > : Secret Service are highly competent, omnipotent and omnicognizant beings
: > who
: > : know all things and always stop the bad guys in the nick of time (as
: > opposed
: > : to the overworked, underpaid, marginally competent, in-fighting and
: > : ass-covering bureaucratic government employees of this universe)?
: >
: > What makes you think that the coverup was perfect? The assassination
: > wasn't perfect either. Heck, the evidence of conspiracy is there. The
: > Zapruder film shows that!

: you mean like how the Zapruder film very clearly shows a large part of JFK's
: skull being blasted straight *up*?

...and back.

: So where did that bullet come from, Eric? The floorboard of the limo?

The GK.

: <snip>

: > : LOL. Tell me all about how ugly RL can be, Eric.
: >
: > Who is RL? An old girlfriend? Being vague is paramount to the lone nutter
: > existence.

: erm, RL is a widely-used internet abbreviation for "Real Life". I don't
: expect you to pick up on stuff like that, of course...

You wouldn't know real life if it bit you on the ass.

Eric

: --
: Terrell Miller
: millerto@bellsouth.net
: "The military can't respond quickly to emergencies"

: - Loren Thompson, a military analyst at the Lexington Institute in
: Arlington, Va.

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