Re: Something i just thought was odd.

From: Brad Guth (ieisbradguth_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 03/01/05 

Date: 1 Mar 2005 14:16:46 -0800

Matthew Hagston,
Once again, I'll agree that intelligent design is perhaps exactly
whatever God is all about, and yes it's entirely possible that in some
absolutely perverted and sadistic way is what that divine order of
whatever's to happen is somehow within the great all-knowing plan of
the survival of our species (apparently without remorse to boot).

The question is; How much of other life are you willing to forfeit?

The absolute lack of whatever our physics wizards seem to know about
and/or are willing to share about photons is absolutely staggering to
say the least. It seems as though they're so in love with one another
thereby so into incest cloning with one another over whatever's
Einstein and Plank, that via their own form of evolution contributed by
way of their own supposed intelligent design, it seems they've gone
entirely blind.

My notion of utilizing visible photons was for the sake of energy
efficiency as well as compatible throughput that covers the widest
possible realms of known and unknown forms of life, as well as
technology. There's nothing of RF/microwaves that comes even remotely
close to what visible photons can achieve, as in not in range, not in
throughput, and certainly not in being the most species-friendly and of
the widest possible technology compatibility to boot (as in how many
quantum tera bits per second would you like?).

The notions of any floating city above mother Earth sucks really bad
when it comes down to the buoyancy factors. Not that it's impossible,
however the effective payloads via using H2 which is entirely safe and
sane (especially at good altitude) is somewhat piss-poor to say the
least, and of even counting upon a full kw/m2 of available energy
influx somewhat sucks if that's the one and only resource, as the best
average solar energy conversion is going to fall short of 300 watts/m2.
Although, a double hull airship designed as to accumulate and store
solar influx would offer as much as half of the total surface area as
the primary collector. Doing the math should indicate where it's
possible as to convert a sufficient amount of solar energy as to the
task of producing sufficient volumes of H2.

I'll totally agree upon the terraforming of our moon would be a very
profitable win-win for science and humanity, especially with the export
of He3 being the energy motherload jackpot of all times. However, the
likes Venus simply isn't declared dead and/or inert by way of my by
subjective observations, just as I wouldn't rule out Titan and perhaps
not even Mars. More important than terraforming some place other,
perhaps for practice we should accomplish Earth before it's too late,
and thereby before we make the same old mistakes as we've made time and
again here upon Earth.

On the topic of terraforming the likes of mother Earth, and of somewhat
stretching that argument towards accomplishing the likes of our folks
surviving upon Venus, here's what I'd offered to others about what's
reasonably doable.
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Solar/sterling energy is still far in the lead of a clean future on
behalf of humanity; too bad we didn't accomplish this one as of at
least a century or more earlier, as there's been no new laws of physics
and actually darn little otherwise that would have kept us away from
easily converting solar energy, especially as of a century ago when the
average demand per soul upon Earth wouldn't have amounted to 100 watts.

Earth total surface area: 5.112e14 m2

Even though the all-knowing experts will argue as to an average of
extracting nearly 300 W/m2 is possible, if we took an absolutely most
conservative possible notion of obtaining 200 W/m2 as based upon 24/7
year round.

Then take all of 0.1% of the Earth surface as for accommodating said
solar/sterling energy conversions (below which humanity, crops and
livestock could still occupy):

200 * 5.1e11 = 1020e11 or 102 terawatts that's absolutely clean and
thereby as green and renewable as energy ever gets, from which humanity
can accomplish whatever our dreams and souls can imagine, including the
production of hydrogen as to operate everything other that can't have
an electrical cord as for taking power, and there should even spare
energy for creating the likes of He3 that'll eventually go into fusion
reactors.

102e12/6.5e9 = 15.7e3 W/human

I guess to some (especially those individuals with coal, oil and NG
related investments) that want it all and simply always insist upon
consuming way more than their fair share, better than 15 kw doesn't
sound like all that much, though actually that's quite a great deal of
energy because it's based upon the 24/7 and thereby continuous
available energy that could have been made accessible to the whole
population of Earth, of which even the wealthiest individual upon Earth
isn't responsible for consuming a tenth that much while sleeping or
while golfing and so forth, and poor folks likely wouldn't be entitled
to 10% of even that much.

Sulfides including those of S8 may seem a wee bit off topic, but hardly
so if we're talking about the good life upon Venus.

This link is simply another lose cannon shot in the dark: Study of the
formation of benzothiadiphosphole system: a new domino reaction!
http://www2.fci.unibo.it/~baccolin/summaryarticles.htm

However, these two and of other related links
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf and
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/planets_venus.html isn't exactly such a
lose cannon shot; Whereas according to John Ackerman and as supported
by the limited knowledge we currently have about the atmosphere of
Venus, the contribution of sulfides is the primary element of what's
sustaining the 92 bar pressure at the surface, whereas raw sulfur
purged from the within Venus is primarily that of S8, ejected at
sufficient volumes and velocity as to insure the formation and
sustaining of layers of RHOMBIC and MONOCLINIC sulfurs capping a
hadesphere at roughly 46 km, whereas common ice crystals by day are not
forming until nearly 75 km (perhaps as low as 60 km by night).

Obviously the Venus cloud-top thermals and pressure differentials
available between day and night are rather considerable, thus
appropriately those elevations above 45 km should be given a wide range
as to shift according to the thermal and physical dynamics at hand.

Team KECK and by the talents of several others have established
multiple spectrum images of the Venus season of nighttime, including
those which uncovered the green glowing clouds of O2 as well as those
via IR imaging of the Venus nighttime atmospheric thermal environment
that only substantiates such differentials are in fact considerable,
clearly imposing the notion of ununiform hot and cold zones which
thereby indicates that considerable convection based thermals are hard
at work, which is actually rather essential since not only must all of
the potential solar influx escape but since such a geologically young
Venus has been cooling itself off insures the greater aspect of
geothermal heat contributions are having to be extracted as well.

Unlike Earth, most of the easily available energy as for Venus is
nicely within the surrounding atmospheric ocean, whereas as based upon
the laws of physics and kinetics is where each and every m2 of the
surface makes our average solar extracted worth of 200 W/m2 look fairly
pathetic as to that of what Venus is capable of offering from a
vertical kinetic extraction that's continuously way better than 2
MW/m2, whereas actually 20 MW/m2 is within the applied physics of
what's obtainable by day or night.

I guess that I'm the one and only village idiot fool within this known
universe that appreciates what having such a terrific amount of energy
and easily obtained at that matters, as it certainly must have mattered
to any halfwit ET heathens that were out and about looking for
somewhere to set up their mineral mining and element extraction
processing operations. Of course, since this is all reinforced along by
the image interpretations from my subjective though honest
observationology of what's situated upon Venus, of what's clearly not
so natural and that which I've been contributing upon for the past five
years and counting, perhaps you folks that are continually complaining
about absolutely everything that I've had to offer should not even
bother wiping your butts since you're so super-glued to those spendy
cold-war and disinformation-R-us space-toilets.

It seems that we're too preoccupied with our ongoing geological
pillaging for profit and the systematic polluting of mother Earth (at
least that's how the upper most 0.1% of humanity has it arranged), and
thereby far too ENRON and GW Bush greedy and arrogant as to even
realize what we've been knowingly passing up right here at home, much
less considerate of what the likes of our moon has to offer and thereby
of whatever's Venus isn't worth squat, yet the supposed all-knowing
astronomy and scientific communities are uncontrollably drooling over
the likes of Titan, and SETI/OSETI folks are remaining so far out of
reality that they've become just another lost pathetic cause of the
usual for-profit enterprise of essentially up-yours. Is that messed up
or what?

What's needed is a good effort from a revisionist upon portions of
history and upon all that's astrophysics, thus the likes of applied
physics as it would and should have been involved within the science
realms of whatever's planetology, meaning meteorology, the demanding
physiology of whatever's surviving, and thus biology and certainly that
of observationology is given it's fair place within this cold-war
perverted world of ours, as hopefully without all of the usual
mainstreamism that's otherwise offending whatever other worlds due to
our intellectually bigoted ways of essentially not accepting whatever
rocks our mainstream boat.

Oops, sorry if I've manage not to have offended your category or realm
of status quo, as that certainly wasn't my intentions but strictly a
practical limitation as to what amount of words can be contained within
any given reply without my exceeding the 'wall-of-words' criteria.

Basic township on Venus: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Regards, Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

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