Re: Deep Impact Kicks Off Fourth of July with Deep Space Fireworks


Eric Chomko wrote:
> spinoza1111@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
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> : Eric Chomko wrote:
> : > spinoza1111@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> : >
> : > : Alan Anderson wrote:
> : > : > spinoza1111@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > > Eric Chomko wrote:
> : > : > > > Lightning is ALWAYS happening on earth someplace all the time. It is a
> : > : > > > never ending event. Get it? Objects from outer space don't nearly hit the
> : > : > > > earth at a rate even close to constant.
> : > : >
> : > : > Yes, they do, Eric. They are generally small, but their "constancy" is
> : > : > quite comparable to lightning. (And remember that I've got your posts
> : > : > filtered, so I won't see them unless someone quotes them.)
> : > : >
> : > : > > No, violent storms and hence lightning are on the increase as a result
> : > : > > of human impact on climate change, a human impact which resulted from
> : > : > > Newtonian beliefs that until proven otherwise, a natural phenomenon was
> : > : > > not an interlinked system.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Connect the dots. During the SAME WEEK when several scout leaders were
> : > : > > killed in a violent storm that downed a power line on their tent, Hong
> : > : > > Kong police had to improvise a special drill for crossing an open field
> : > : > > to avoid lightning in a storm that would be considered quite unusual in
> : > : > > the past.
> : > : >
> : > : > The Jamboree incident was not a storm. They were merely putting up the
> : > : > tent and accidentally touched an overhead wire with the pole.
> : >
> : > : My mistake, you're right. Instead, take a look at the observance of the
> : > : Scout master's memory...at which owing to unprecedented heat several
> : > : Scouts collapsed.
> : >
> : > ...waiting for President Bush.
> : >
> : > : And anecdote is a poor guide to the facts; at best it only illustrates
> : > : a trend. The facts are that temperatures and the violence of storms
> : > : have increased.
> : >
> : > Which is a meteorlogical event unrelated to anything in astronomy.
>
> : Nothing is absolutely unrelated to anything else. The fact is that
> : irresponsibility, the belief that we can continue to burn fossil fuels
> : without climate change, may not simply be exportable to outer space,
> : the belief that we should substitute destructive public relations
> : stunts for real science or that engineers should think like managers,
> : and compartmentalize like managers.
>
> I suspect that you are neither an engineer or a manager; more at spectator
> and critic.

Whatever you like. Certainly, in terms of aerospace, I am neither an
engineer or manager. But note that if you work in aerospace, this gives
you no authority over civilian criticism because we pay your salary,
and note in addition that if you are a lowly programmer you are neither
an engineer nor a manager. Furthermore, if as is so often the case in
American technology, that an "engineer" is necessarily he, who buys
into an ideology restricted to America, I have no interest in being an
engineer...in this sense.
>
> : I've drawn this connection repeatedly. Sure, it passes through the
> : space between your ears. Physically, clouds and storms and other
> : meteorological phenomena are "unrelated" to astronomy (or, more
> : precisely, related in ways we know about at the interface of the
> : atmosphere and space). But the way we think about both is my concern
> : here.
>
> Right NASA thinking has been corrupted by corporate greed (i.e. oil
> industry), is your belief.

No, it's corrupt because the same sort of people are attracted to the
oil industry and to NASA.

>
> : This isn't physics. It's sci.space.policy where policy should be
> : informed by philosophy but as it happens because it's dominated by
> : fucking jerks.
>
> You suffer from the belief that your beliefs actually reflect reality. You
> live in your own private hell.

No, I read books. Do you? Your out of date college texts don't count.
>
> Eric

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