Re: Deep Impact Kicks Off Fourth of July with Deep Space Fireworks

spinoza1111@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

: Eric Chomko wrote:
: > spinoza1111@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
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: > : Eric Chomko wrote:
: > : > spinoza1111@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
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: > : > : Alan Anderson wrote:
: > : > : > spinoza1111@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
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: > : > : > > Eric Chomko wrote:
: > : > : > > > Lightning is ALWAYS happening on earth someplace all the time. It is a
: > : > : > > > never ending event. Get it? Objects from outer space don't nearly hit the
: > : > : > > > earth at a rate even close to constant.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Yes, they do, Eric. They are generally small, but their "constancy" is
: > : > : > quite comparable to lightning. (And remember that I've got your posts
: > : > : > filtered, so I won't see them unless someone quotes them.)
: > : > : >
: > : > : > > No, violent storms and hence lightning are on the increase as a result
: > : > : > > of human impact on climate change, a human impact which resulted from
: > : > : > > Newtonian beliefs that until proven otherwise, a natural phenomenon was
: > : > : > > not an interlinked system.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Connect the dots. During the SAME WEEK when several scout leaders were
: > : > : > > killed in a violent storm that downed a power line on their tent, Hong
: > : > : > > Kong police had to improvise a special drill for crossing an open field
: > : > : > > to avoid lightning in a storm that would be considered quite unusual in
: > : > : > > the past.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > The Jamboree incident was not a storm. They were merely putting up the
: > : > : > tent and accidentally touched an overhead wire with the pole.
: > : >
: > : > : My mistake, you're right. Instead, take a look at the observance of the
: > : > : Scout master's memory...at which owing to unprecedented heat several
: > : > : Scouts collapsed.
: > : >
: > : > ...waiting for President Bush.
: > : >
: > : > : And anecdote is a poor guide to the facts; at best it only illustrates
: > : > : a trend. The facts are that temperatures and the violence of storms
: > : > : have increased.
: > : >
: > : > Which is a meteorlogical event unrelated to anything in astronomy.
: >
: > : Nothing is absolutely unrelated to anything else. The fact is that
: > : irresponsibility, the belief that we can continue to burn fossil fuels
: > : without climate change, may not simply be exportable to outer space,
: > : the belief that we should substitute destructive public relations
: > : stunts for real science or that engineers should think like managers,
: > : and compartmentalize like managers.
: >
: > I suspect that you are neither an engineer or a manager; more at spectator
: > and critic.

: Whatever you like. Certainly, in terms of aerospace, I am neither an
: engineer or manager. But note that if you work in aerospace, this gives
: you no authority over civilian criticism because we pay your salary,
: and note in addition that if you are a lowly programmer you are neither
: an engineer nor a manager. Furthermore, if as is so often the case in
: American technology, that an "engineer" is necessarily he, who buys
: into an ideology restricted to America, I have no interest in being an
: engineer...in this sense.
: >
: > : I've drawn this connection repeatedly. Sure, it passes through the
: > : space between your ears. Physically, clouds and storms and other
: > : meteorological phenomena are "unrelated" to astronomy (or, more
: > : precisely, related in ways we know about at the interface of the
: > : atmosphere and space). But the way we think about both is my concern
: > : here.
: >
: > Right NASA thinking has been corrupted by corporate greed (i.e. oil
: > industry), is your belief.

: No, it's corrupt because the same sort of people are attracted to the
: oil industry and to NASA.

: >
: > : This isn't physics. It's sci.space.policy where policy should be
: > : informed by philosophy but as it happens because it's dominated by
: > : fucking jerks.
: >
: > You suffer from the belief that your beliefs actually reflect reality. You
: > live in your own private hell.

: No, I read books. Do you? Your out of date college texts don't count.
: >
: > Eric

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