Re: lunar centric orbit?

>William Mook; Here's more about Lagrange points...
Thanks so much for these old files that still badly informs us village
idiots, as to providing next to nothing as to the hour by hour
LL1/ME-L1 interactive location as I've previously requested. It's just
MOS wag-the-dog infomercial formulated info as having been re-posted in
order to look a bit different. You and I shouldn't have to run all of
these complex numbers. So, where's the LL1/ME-L1 beef?
http://www.physics.montana.edu/faculty/cornish/lagrange.html
http://www.freemars.org/l5/aboutl5.html
http://www.frc.ri.cmu.edu/~hpm/project.archive/1976.skyhook/1982.articles/elevate.800322
All of these supposed new and improved notions of yours seems to
require that spendy and yet to be R&D CNT stuff. However, your notions
of doing everything the absolute hardest way possible and the most
spendy as well as energy consuming and thus environmentally damaging
way conceivable is rather impressive.

>A space elevator on the moon is an interesting topic. I can wax
>poetic about that.
Please do "wax" away. At least that form of waxing would be on "lunar
centric orbit?" topic.

Those "skyhooks" and other terrestrial notions of getting large masses
of substances delivered into space will likely happen within the next
century after we're dead. Of course, by then China will own the moon
and having 100% authority over the LSE-CM/ISS, and the scant remains of
terrestrial oil will bring $1000/barrel, whereas the only folks that
can afford to buy any of it will be those as already having it or
having some other energy to trade to the highest bidder. Yourself, ***
Cheney and the likes of "tomcat" should get your thoughts and whatever
agendas together, which shouldn't be all that difficult since you
already think so much alike.

By then it'll only cost $10,000/month for your residential HVAC
demands, and a gallon of gasoline at $100/gal should get your 10 mpg
Hummer down the road just fine and dandy.

By then those nifty CNT terrestrial space elevator and skyhook tethers
should only have been costing us a billion dollars/km. Of course, since
more than half the world is Muslim and they haven't forgotten, chances
are that defending our terrestrial based and thus CNT tether assisted
space explorations and of accomplishing whatever subsequent lunar
extractions via those massive fly-by-rocket landers that still have to
be R&D, whereas we'll have to be continually defended with the likes of
nukes-in-space and having dozens of those GW class of ABLs being kept
in the air 24/7. Thus WW-III, WW-IV and WW-V should manage to keep your
global populations down to something under your 9.2e9 requirement.

Your "Project Orion" is certainly another real Greenpiece killer, but
since the environment of Earth will have already become terminated
beyond the point of no return, we'd have nothing to lose.

Is there some ulterior reasons why the safe and sane Ra-->Rn-->ion
thrust isn't any part of your mad scientist plan of action?

Is there some other reason why you've excluded upon the He3/fusion
alternatives?

Is there some other reason why you've excluded LSE tether dipole
extracted energy?

BTW; start making room for at least twice your "9.2 billion people",
thus 18e9 and still growing strong by the year 2100, that is unless the
incest cloned likes of yourself and Bush/Cheney can manage invent some
additional WMD lies in order in order to exterminate more than half of
them. Remember that at the rate we're going, oceans should soon become
worth 10 meters higher, thus we'll have a whole lot less dry land to
work with and more nasty bugs than anyone can imagine. However, a
nearly ice free Greenland and Antarctica should soon become valuable
properties (buy now while it's still ice covered and cheap).

BTW No.2; the richest will not become any 1/10th of the global
population, it'll become the upper most 0.1%(18e6) of humanity that'll
be considered as rich and powerful. The rest of us will be lucky to
afford toilet paper, much less having dry land to call home.

You certainly have a nifty way of spending other peoples hard earned
dollars, and of causing the absolute most collateral damage and carnage
upon the innocent in the process, just like GW Bush and all of his
incest partners in crimes against humanity, like good old *** Cheney
and don't ever forget your Dr. Death(Kissinger).

Why can't we just accomplish the LSE-CM/ISS and essentially start
bringing home the He3 bacon?

Even from the initial station-keeping satellite platform that'll be
efficiently coasting along in a halo orbit within the LL1/ME-L1
interactive zone is offering an absolutely terrific spot for all sorts
of Earth science and moon science. Even astronomy improvements from
that location isn't exactly a bad thing.

With regard to the radiation that's out there, especially as related to
the LL1/ME-L1 zone and of folks getting any closer to our moon;

The density of lead cuts hard-X-ray dosage by half for every 18 mm.
Ten of those layers = 180 mm = 1024:1 reduction.
Fifty of those layers = 900 mm = 32,768:1 reduction.

Our atmosphere is roughly equal to those 50 x 18 mm layers of lead.
Then we have the vast 70,000 km Van Allen expanse or badlands that's
worth at least another 100:1

On a passive sort of solar day, it seems that our full moon as having
been detected from the altitude of ISS is sharing a good millirem/day.
However, on a bad solar day, make that extra dosage worth 100 mr/day.

Now do the math of receiving a 100:1 dosage once getting yourself
through the Van Allen badlands and by way having traveled half way
towards the moon is what gives us our first 400:1 increase in that
original dosage from having been situated roughly 375 km above Earth as
having shared that extra 0.001 rem/day. That'll only amount to another
10+ fold of cutting the distance in half in order to get yourself to
within 187.6 km of the lunar deck, and that's only an extra 4^10 =
1.048e6:1 radiation multiplier.

Thus by cutting that distance to the moon in half, and using the square
of the distances as your hard-X-ray dosage multiplier means that for
each haft distance multiplies the lunar contributed dosage by a factor
of 4:1.

Gees freaking Louise folks; now you tell me what the situations is all
about as per cruising along at 100 km off that absolutely nasty and
highly reactive lunar deck (especioally reactive if at best there's
only 2e5 atoms/cm3 getting in the way) as your craft is passing over
whatever that solar illuminated moon has to offer, then perhaps divide
that in half for the average since being half the time on the dark side
of the moon (of course it's not ever going to become half because even
the dark side of the moon is still just as if not a bit more reactive,
thus sharing a bit of the secondary/recoil worth of whatever the cosmic
influx has to offer), but then also remember to contribute a bit of
what's directly impacting your spacecraft and lo and behold, what did
your math as based upon the regular laws of physics have tell us?

It seems that even an earthshine environment of our moon is going to
remain as humanly testy if not short-term lethal. If the much lesser
background and foreground radiation still doesn't manage to get you,
then whatever's passing by or God forbid impacting our nighttime moon
at 3+km/s is still going to easily nail your sorry moonsuit ***,
especially of whatever 30+km/s stuff that isn't slowing down all that
much in that thin atmosphere, especially if that arriving substance is
offered at any typically good sort of density/cm3, and there are bound
to being a few of those 100+km/s encounters that'll remain just as
invisible as WMD until it's too freaking late. Thus earthshine is only
at best offering a partial moonsuit *** saving alternative.

Therefore, the surface of our moon (especially by day) is mostly suited
for robotics. Space travels outside of our Van Allen zone of death is
also best suited for robotics. Those sorts of robotic satellites can
actually be extremely small, energy efficient and as a whole they'll
take a rather nasty licking and keep on ticking for not 0.1% the cost
of accomplishing anything that involves humans. Some of those
small/micro satellites may even be configured for surviving their
impact/landing upon our moon or for their getting into a rigid airship
mode of efficiently accomplishing Venus.

Artificially impacting our moon could easily have improved the lunar
atmosphere from being 1e6/cm3 to becoming something greater than
1e12/cm3. In fact the near surface populations of a Radon, Argon and of
a much greater CO2 matrix might easily exceed 1e15/cm3 (especially
within some of the larger crater basins). It takes next to nothing for
targeting our moon with sufficient solids of CO2 packing a hefty core
of Radium and LRn. Physics-101 stipulates that the surface
impact/vaporising conversion rate of 1e6:1 into becoming a viable lunar
atmosphere has been entirely doable as of more than 4 decades ago.

Please good notice how I'm not another anti-technology freak. I do seem
to be mindset stuck in the rut of believing that ETs and of their
intelligent design do happen coexist throughout our universe, and as
such I also believe that we're far from being the smartes of the lot.
I'm not even opposed to whatever yourself and the likes of the energy
sucking "tomcat spaceplane" has to offer. I'd even have shared on a
50/50 matching funds basis from my bank accounts that should have been
overflowing as of 5 years ago, with no limits and essentially no
strings other than your haveing to stay the course of such efforts
improving the quality of life for the lower 99.9% of humanity that's
sequestered upon this global warming Earth.

Therefore, I'll need to keep asking folks like yourself;
Good grief almighty. What the freaking sam hell is your sicko problems
that are continually orchestrating disinformation against accomplishing
our moon, or even against our better alternative of establishing the
LSE-CM/ISS?

BTW; why the heck do you suppose that your Third Reich MI6/NSA~CIA and
of your GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA mainstream status quo served usenet that sucks
and blows big-time is still (no lie) hard at work delivering their
spermware into my PC?

Brad Guth
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Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
such as GW Bush.
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

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