Re: Water on the moon or Mars,part-2

jonathan,
I'm not exactly certain why you've reposted the list of hot-links over
and over. It's all very interesting and, I certainly do feel there's
good merit in the likelihood of there being substantial volumes of
sequestered ice somewhere other than Earth, which has nothing to do
with raw ice surviving in space. So, I'll repost what I'd just
provided.

Terrific feedback that has little if absolutely nothing to do with my
quest. The surface of our moon is not ice friendly, not even salty-ice
friendly, and to think that we supposedly had 6 out of 6 times by which
to have easily proven that science once and for all.

Why is it that my topics only attract the sorts of folks focused upon
taking whatever out of context, as then implying damage-control on
behalf of whatever's stipulated in your NASA/Apollo bible?

I have few doubts that our soft-science as pertaining to our moon as
having a degree of sequestered salt water and thus potentially salty
ice within is just fine and dandy, just as I'm fairly certain that Mars
represents an even better host for plain old water-ice that's likely
sequestered by a layer of dry-ice and/or beneath continually frozen
ground, forcing such to becoming a bit if not a whole lot of a
freeze-dried salty-ice or perhaps at best a thick brine.

However, you know darn good and well that's not what I meant by our not
having hard-science pertaining to water or ice surviving in space.
Hard-science meaning actual data obtained form first hand experiments
with the real gosh darn thing. In other words of my limited wisdom, you
can't tell me how long a cubic meter(m3) worth of raw ice would survive
in space, as fully solar illuminated and having to reside somewhere
between Earth and the moon (I'd even accept the daytime ISS orbit).
Upon our moon where salt has been so hot that it remains as an
atmospheric vapor is where whatever ice upon the dark and nasty surface
couldn't possibly survive for one hundredth as long as for being
situated in space, as far away from our reactive and IR reflective
moon. Solar influx plus secondary/recoil worth of IR photons should
make for a rather impressive ice-->atoms of energy release that could
easily be directed as thrust.

At one bar, sodium begins to melt and thus starts becoming a gas at
208°F (371 K).

Rock Salt (NaCI) Sodium Chloride actually has a fairly high boiling or
vapor phase shift point of 1621°F (883°C or 1156 K), of which our
moon is quite nicely surrounded by 14,000 km worth of that sodium vapor
substance, along with supplying a solar wind excavated comet like trail
of sodium that's good for 900,000 km. Of course within a nearly perfect
vacuum represents an entirely different vapor-phase point that should
require substantially less temperature. The point being is that such
salt/sodium vapor is being derived from our moon, thereby implying a
good supply of that element which should be sequestered underground in
the form of a thick brine and otherwise possibly as geode pockets of
salty-ice.

Therefore, once again I have little doubt of there being salty-ice
associated within sufficient orbs of mass such as our moon and Mars,
which in of itself doesn't qualify as to the nature of raw ice having
to survive within space or even as upon the lunar surface, as being
rather impossible by the regular laws of physics unless there's
actually a great deal of an argon, radon plus a few other elements of
an atmospheric layer as a protective shield that supposedly our moon
doesn't have to work with.

Without our knowing the rate by which raw ice is vaporised(sublimes) in
the fully solar illuminated vacuum of space, as such we have no actual
hard-science basis for understanding or otherwise appreciating whatever
ice might coexist within our moon, or even within Mars.
-
Brad Guth

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