Re: Electrogravitics is Reality!


Christopher wrote:
This is an amusing exchange. And I think tomcat has been reading 2001
to many times, as in the novel the ship that took the guy to orbit,
was launched by a rail gun type device, and the orbital winged craft
was riding piggy back on the back of a large winged craft that took
the smaller orbital craft to the edge of space. Also NASA in real
life did have such an arragement in ind for getting into space before
the US gov bean counters put a stop to it as it's be to expensive to
develop.





Christopher, I regard it as somewhat amusing myself. The people that
think they know all the formulas, all the facts, regarding Space
Engineering can't build a SSTO. The worst part is they say it is
'Theoretically Impossible' besides.

When they show their vertical tubular rocket formulas and you suggest
that if that doesn't work try a waverider, they go ballistic! They say
waveriders don't work either. If you suggest high altitude balloons
they start laughing.

They have actually been seriously talking about tying a rope around a
geosynchronous satellite and creating a 22,000 mile space ladder. This
is when I start laughing!

Look, Outer Space is only 60 miles away. Orbital velocity need only be
17,500 mph. Do you mean to tell me that a vehicle capable of climbing
60 miles and going 17,500 mph can't be built? The Space Shuttle has
done over 100 missions all ready! It works. It just jettisons it's
RATO SRB units and drops it's auxiliary fuel tank, that's all.

One of them has hinted that us Internet Wizards are into broomsticks
and magic carpets. I have never recommended the use of broomsticks or
magic carpets, either one. This is a 'strawman' argument if ever I
have seen one.

I have already told them how to make a SSTO. But they won't listen.
They say it is 'outside' of their formulas, and that their formulas are
sacred, omnipotent, perfect, all encompassing, all knowing, REALITY, in
all it's magnificent glory.

They are talking about some old mathematical scribbles of strung
together ad hocs. They won't lighten the load, aim at the Moon, launch
to the East, add 10 times the fuel, shape the rocket into a waverider,
use vacuum, deorbit with 'air brakes', use steam catapults, 30 deg.
ramps, or anything else outside of their . . . 'formulas'.

Listen, if you take their Rocket Formula and increase the Mass Ratio
figure to a million to one::

u = V Ln ( Mo/M ) + uo

u = V Ln (1000000/1) + uo

u = 453 * 13.81 + 0

u = 22,521 km/hr

u = 13,994 mph

This Mass Ratio of 1,000,000 to 1 can't reach orbital velocity of about
17,500 mph! Notice I even used the ISP of Liquid Hydrogen/LOX.

This is the object of 'their' worship. This is their ROCKET EQUATION.
It 'proves' that SSTO is impossible. It is 'their' BOX.

Now this did not bother Konstatin Tsiolkobsky because when he
formulated the equation the year was 1903 and rockets went a couple of
hundred feet into the air and came crashing down. Aircraft hadn't been
invented yet.

But, in the year 2006, this is the ROCKET EQUATION, the Holy Grail of
the Rocket Elite, the worshiped edifice of rocket science, the edge of
the envelope. IT IS THE BOX.

Gentlemen, it is time to get rid of . . . the BOX.

How? All it takes is a waverider. In fact, the Space Shuttle has
already broken out of . . . the BOX. But no one noticed.


tomcat

.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: National Aerospace Plane (X-30) announced 20 years ago
    ... When you want to reach orbit, height isn't important, and speed is. ... speeds approaching orbital velocities are deeply unhealthy in an ... waverider can go faster sooner than a vertical tubular rocket. ...
    (sci.space.shuttle)
  • =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Petrolhead_gives_old_1967_chevrolet_a_top_speed_?= =?ISO-8859-1
    ... They lost control above 200 mph or some such, left the road on a curve ... the differential and used a JATO cartridge or similar for drag races. ... rocket hobbyist which didn't come close in terms of either thrust or duration. ... They replicated the scene and the thrust of the JATO ...
    (rec.autos.driving)
  • Re: New applications for 221dry water
    ... "I built this rocket in my back yard and I bet it will go up five ... Altitudes over 10,000 feet and supersonic velocities are common. ... This one has reached 763 mph, ...
    (rec.arts.sf.fandom)
  • Re: Electrogravitics is Reality!
    ... It is significant to note, at this point, that a waverider does not ... rise in a vertical fashion that would be susceptible to the Tsiolkovsky ... 'lift' given by the atmosphere itself changes things considerably. ... be much greater than an equivalent vertical rocket. ...
    (sci.space.policy)
  • Re: Altitude as opposed to velocity...
    ... Orbital velocity is 7 kps, which my rocket can reach. ... object at ground level moving upward at 7 kps, ... Or what payload fraction are you prepared to ...
    (rec.arts.sf.science)