Re: THE MATRIX IS PERFECT MORE COMPLEX THEN THE UNIVERSE

William.M...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
:American wrote:
::William.M...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

:::Some day there may be a super-science that supercedes our current
:::science. But it will subsume our science as well. That is, our
:::science will be a rational piece of any super science.
:::A good example is Newtonian mechanics. It was superceded by
:::Einsteinian mechanics, but Newtonian mechanics was still a part of
:::larger whole. Newton was a low speed approximation of Einstein's
:::results. In the same way any super science will subsume today's
:::science which will make an important piece of it.
:::Now, the Matrix, along with Gibson's Virtual Reality, and Tipler's
:::Cosmological Anthropic Principle, are trending toward a collection
:::ideas that have a lot of emotional value to people, values that have


:::been largely abandoned by science. These emotional values collect
:::around religious beliefs, not scientific beliefs. So, I would say
:::reference to the matrix isn't science, and definitely not
:::super-science. Its merely an early attempt at unifying religious
:::impulse with our scientific understanding of reality.
:::This will eventually succeed too, and create a whole new culture.
:::at present, we are to that religious insight as Zoastrians are to
:::Christianity. lol. if that.

::It would seem that you are describing the populist addiction

:Sounds like you're caught up in judgement! 'populist addiction' is a
:very disdainful term don't you think? Of course it is.

What is populism? It is a disdainful growth in widespread reactionism
as a result of a sharp drop in confidence of the major institutions,
including religious, and/or educational. This reaction may also be,
inadvertantly, a result of "globalization backlash" (loans given to
foreign countries on the condition that the *engineering* went to US
companies, also on the condition that the taxpayers in foreign
countries had to pay back the loans. The "globalization backlash"
is therefore a U.S. "populist" one, since the U.S. henchmen at the
World Bank or IMF would place the country in its "trusteeship", not
only alienating the taxpayers in that country, but stealing the
engineering job base in the U.S. as well. See "Confessions of an
Economic Hit Man, John Perkins)

::to
::populist culture,

:More judgement against what people do naturally.

Do people that work for the IMF and World Bank do what comes
"naturally" in alienating the "upwardly mobile" graduates of
Engineering Institutions? I think not, because their "think tanks"
have become too compartmentalized with the overbureaucratization
of a one-world government, rather than the "regional" gain of some
"revolutionizing technology". Since today, compartmentalization
doesn't have to be regional, why can't there be, via internet,
reward for producing "intellectual capital"? If not, then true
"populists" have become victims of the "information age". Thus
the revolutionary "information" is being misdirected, but by whom?

::that have succeeded in partially *entraining*
::young, flexible minds to the ideas of the mostly sensational &
::situational ethics of the emotional "visual" interface of con-
::sciousness - a typically earthly correspondence, whose "vice"
::is inertia (i.e., youthful, reckless vigor) and "virtue" is dis-
::crimination (the beginnings of integrating cultural and societal
::values).

:This is totally meaningless rot afaict. All people have a call to
:adventure that resonates deep inside. Young people take such calls
:seriously than older people. This makes younger people more alive
:than older people. Judging such behavior is worse than useless.

Populists are currently blinded by the difference between honest
dissent and disloyal subversion. Isn't the "call to adventure that
resonates deep inside" also connected to a values system that is not
connected to science fiction or fantasy? Yet the real engineering
job markets are being handed over to third world interests at the
behest of globalization, forming a technological "ruse" that adds
to the dumbing down or antiquation of the graduates' marketable and
prospective skill set, i.e., "overqualified". What I am referring
to here is not a criticism so much as it is a *symptom* of economic
forces at work.

As the concrete-and-mortar economies of of these "internationalist"
mass transit technologies, as well as infrastructures and
commercialism, must revalidate their own existence by retrenching
their effort abroad in order to ward off long-term substitution of
their outdated technology, the *new world free market economy*
would be instinctively expecting that advanced technology has
arrived with great enthusiasm - without these so-called "burdens"
on society.

Yes, we are helping third world countries establish themselves
colonially, but at the same time, we are inadvertantly
"overbureaucratizing" with the weight falling on private enterprise:
i.e., the lowering of standards through the awarding of contracts
to please peers, with the strain of excitement going into getting
the next grant and worrying about personnel, not to mention the
mire of standards, eligibility requirements, human rights waivers,
tort law through conflict of interest (between innovators and
the establishment), invasion of privacy, and pork barrel supply of
federal reserve notes!

::As they begin to mature in those values, their con-
::siousnesses will naturally recede into either increased complex-
::ity or chaos, or some integration between the logic and/or em-
::otion of each,

:The implication here is that logic is our savior. This crap. Logic is
:useful. But as Kurt Goedel showed rather conclusively, logic without
:being informed by a set of assumptions that are known at a deeper
:level, is worthless.

Ah, yes, the deeper level. No doubt there is an implied background
of knowlege being referenced here, but Goedel is more of a
mathematician than an engineer, isn't he? But the dialecticisms
of Goedel won't actually improve the human standard of living unless
all of the properly applied analyses have been researched for their
subtle causes and effects, esp. w/ regard to spreading the wealth
a little?

::depending upon either legalistic interpretation,
::or spiritual endeavor. These are currently the two "races" of
::spirits

:There are two things that people do that create drama in their life.
:The first is to supress their natural instincts. The second is to
:project the resulting unhappiness onto a scapegoat.

All men are *created* equal. It's not until the child is handed over
to the *parents* that the drama of life begins to unfold. The best
actor connects with the need to be reborn in his mother's womb.

::that, I believe - dominate the earth - the so-called
::race of Esau-like dominionists (e.g., NSF), and their now
::"spiritual Jacob" wrestlers.

:Clearly you believe fantastic fantasies.

What is so fantastic about dominionists? Do I have to explain how
Jacob wrestled with the spirit of Esau in the womb of Rebecca
over four millennia ago? That's the kind of conflict that we have
between private industry and the military-industrial complex - who
wishes to sell their spiritual inheritage for a mess of earthly
pottage?

::I firmly believe that the forces of
::economics depends upon the agreement of who is to judge what is
::the "common ground" for "channeling the right information" be-
::tween these two species of, as it were, "cosmic consciousnesses".

:More rot affecting the proper functioning of your mind.

No, I have actually elevated the conflict so that the one-way channel
remains open for the "antiquatedness of Esau" to update itself w.r.t.
the non-fear-mongering and coexistence of the Creator's technology
with private enterprise, rather than coalition with a confederation of
*statist* bureaucracies.

:Why even consider bringing "intellectual immaturity" into the fold
::of "God-science" if the "God-science" is incapable of addressing
::the more emotional issues of intellectual immaturity?

:Now you're blathering about rot. See? Goedel was right! lol.
:Examine your basic assumptions and articles of faith, and you will
:find you are quite mad.

Nurturing an idea or applied scientific concept to me, is the same as
keeping the seed faith from "unfertile" territory. The largest obstacle

to the matriculation of an *important* revolutionary concept, is that
there is a certain emotion that attaches itself to an "invention". Our
economy doesn't need so many "robots" as it needs original inventors,
and the protection in place to keep their patents from being stolen.

::Thus even
::what appears to be the enemy is, like a flood, drawn into the
::"bigger picture" of "What is God-science?"

:Oft times the things that cause us the greatest pain allow us to grow
:the most as human beings. If we can transform the terrible things
:happen to us into learning somehow, we can bring meaning to our lives
:through those events. Its easy to be happy when things are going well
:It is less easy to be happy when things are NOT going well. But, when


:thing are not going well, its best to be happy anyway and do what we
:can without supressing or projecting feelings. That way we grow as
:much as we can. Otherwise we get caught up in drama. Projecting on
:other people is bad enough. Projecting on to non-existent figures of
:myth, is worse.

I might mention that this mythology is already a legend that has become

*fact*. How many patents do we have in the Library of Congress that
we don't yet see on the shelves at Wal-Mart?

::- I prefer that "ap-
:: plications" for improving the human condition in terms of util-
:: izing the most advanced technology available, using the telenet to
:: express the art of scientific modeling in understandable format.

:Hmm.. sounds like a poor cousin to Buckminster Fuller's 'livingry' -
:(as opposed to weaponry)

Ye must look beyond the front lines of soldiers, tanks, and helicopters

to see that there were those, who, at times past, were running from
the persecution of those who would have their gold sent back to
the mainland, rather than continue to invest in the New Frontier's
*Soldier of Fortune*. We got a different breed of "robot" economy
today, because we're not looking into the heavens to expand the empire.


::Yet the contemporary "Spanish Inquisition", who are the "dominion-
::ists" of our day, (e.g., NSF) would rather dictate *their* save-
::our-ship propoganda,

:uh oh... are you sure your name isn't Brad Guth? This is starting to
:sound like a Guthic rant! Run on sentences and all! lol. And here I


:thought I was doing something useful.

:Sheez.

Several historical factors attributable to the NSF gave engineers
second rate status after World War II. Those who called them-
selves scientists rather than engineers boasted that they were
involved with pure research, e.g., at universities no longer
engaged in secret research (because the war was over), but
research that was useless to the public to pay for. Thus a
bureaucratic hold for the various branches of the military al-
lowed these scientists to essentially pillage the field of
science by invalidating the importance of elevating the stan-
dard of living through engineering achievement.

As engineers continue going unnoticed for their achievements,
there will continue to be an effort to rename organizations such
as the AAAS, or the American Association for the Advancement of
Science to the American Association for the Advancement of
Science and Engineering. As of 1985, the engineering section of
the AAAS has only 5,840 of the organization's 136,000 members.
By virtue of being connected with the federal government, the
bureaucratic mentality of funding the NSF through scientist
rather than engineering research, lacks private enterprise focus
and seeks to manipulate the marketplace. Now we should "connect
the dots" of the NSF resembling those of the Esau-like
dominionists, who are the "great invalidators" of our time!

::than listen to the logical, engineering
::nuts-and-bolts truth. Scientific modeling is more useful than
::creating sensationalist, fictionalist "fad" technology, that bears
::no resemblence to real fruit or real productivity.

:This pointless and nearly incomprehensible rant bears absolutely no
:relation to your earlier incomprehensible and pointless rant.

No, it makes absolute sense, if you are a dyed-in-the-wool,
engineering "populist defector" overcoming oppression in the
*land of the giants*.

::*End of vile, seditious rant against the environment*

:Whew! And I was getting worried. You know there are some people that

:SHOULDN'T see "An Inconvenient Truth" !
:You may be one of them! lol.

The greater the need is established for finding extrasolar G2V suns
with earth-like planets (70 parsec avg. spacing, ref. British
Royal Interplanetary Society), the more "An Incinvenient Truth"
will fade as an artifact of earth-bound colonialism.

.

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