Re: National Space Intelligence Center proposed


tomcat wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:
tomcat,
For God's sake, stop expecting anything but more of the same mainstream
status quo of naysay Eric Chomko and bigot/naysay Art Deco's pagan
incest cloned crapolla on a stick, especially from this anti-think-tank
of a Usenet from hell that sucks and blows exactly the way these pagan
rusemasters like it.

As I've said before, and as far as I can tell I'm still going strong, I
can't be any more anti-anti-semitic than Jesus Christ himself. But
then, what's your sorry excuse for having been so totally status quo
dumbfounded, and otherwise continually snookered by your own kind, none
the less?

Think about it; even if you had wanted, you couldn't possibly become
any more Third Reich qualified if you tried. Even though yourself and
others may not think so, you're all badly reacting as though exactly
like the Third Reich collaborating Art Deco's intended, running
yourself and others amuck with yet another skewed ***-load of your own
infomercial basis of disinformation, of your cultivated status quo
brains in a box, that obviously haven't so much as a freaking honest
independent clue emerging from between either of your cheeks, much less
sharing a gram of remorse between the entire lot.

Unless you've got some new and improved hard-science to offer; WE HAVE
NOT WALKED UPON THAT NASTY GAMMA AND HARD-X-RAY NASTY MOON, as you'd be
soon thereafter become quite DNA dead unless that cash of your banked
bone marrow saved your sorry moonsuit naked ***. And what exactly is
that telling you about your government and of whatever suck-up religion
that's in support of your government?

What part of LLPOF is still way over tomcat's head?

Face it, you've been snookered by those folks having "the right stuff".

These rusemasters simply don't honestly give a tinkers damn about any
"tomcat spaceplane", never did and never will, other than to stalk,
bash and banish such notions, and you're obviously too dumbfounded as
to realize that our Saturn V was simply too inert massive to have
accomplished getting 50+t past LL-1, especially in such short order as
per recorded in the NASA/Apollo koran. I'll give them credit for
possibly accomplishing 25t deployed into the LL-1 zone, but until you
can manage to prove otherwise, that's as good as it gets.
-
Brad Guth



I believe that you are underestimating Dr. Van Braun and the NASA when
it comes to the Apollo Program.

Today we know that the Army has a polyethelene derivative substance
that can stop hard radiation. How long they have had this I don't
know, but there is the possibility that it may go back to 1969.

The Saturn V is one tremendous vehicle and it's capabilities should not
be underestimated. The only mistake NASA made back then was to stop
the Saturn V's production.

As far as sinking into deep Moon dust is concerned keep in mind that
the Moon's gravity is only 1/6th that of Earth's. The Astronauts only
weighed 58 pounds on the Moon. The Moon lander weighed less too and
had meter wide landing pods.

Burn marks where one of the Apollo Missions landed have been
photographed.

Our next step should be to build an underground National Space
Intelligence Center on the Moon. We should dig into the side of a rill
using a nuclear tunneling machine, melting the Moon dirt into rock hard
tunnels. It should be a an ELINT and Radar base complete with a
hardened Command and Control Unit. In addition, a major observatory
should be constructed nearby which could serve both the Intelligence
Center and scientific endeavor.


tomcat

Many have proposed that the moon is the way to go before Asteroid
Mining Technology can be realized, but too many private enterprises
would have to overspend their profits before incurring debt from
government and bank loans. The not-too-obvious result would be
that the United States would export micro-managed technology with
its team of overbureaucratized minutia men like ants on a feeding
frenzy rather than for a wider exploration initiative. Minutia men
model the minutia generated from IRS micromanagement in overbureau-
cratized promise markets. Therefore, the moon and every private
enterprise gets swallowed up in refinancing larger buyouts, which
is not a too respectable scenario.

Why I am saying this is that the whole idea of establishing
a niche in the market for Asteroid Mining involves free market
enterprise, NOT rigid market controls (so as to establish mani-
pulative banking systems in red tape, bureacracy, and isolationism,
which excludes free trade). The premise for FREE TRADE is that
those whose diligence and hard work PAYS OFF the EXPECTATION for
GREATER FREE TRADE, rather than having dreams haunted by the next
establishment banking, merger, and layoff takeover! Therefore, the
moon is NOT the way to go-I REPEAT-THE MOON IS NOT THE WAY TO GO!
The way to go is CHEAPER EARTH-TO-ORBIT ACCESS, which would help to
establish orbital colonies, as discussed in the beginning of the
Mars Colonization vs. Stanford Torus thread.

Certain technologies that support Asteroid Mining Technology are
absolutely vital to securing American independence from the world
banking monopolies. Anyone who even leverages Federal Reserve Notes
is a ward of the state, and an invalidator of private enterprise!
At what point does the research realize a gain? Imagine recieving
the first data set from an SAR NEA Amun flyby, discussed in an
earlier post, SAR Technology Incidental to an NEA Flyby:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/8367fae08b16c2c9/a1746a652ee122fc?hl=en#a1746a652ee122fc


Would the data set be required to become public knowledge, or does
the industry that supports such technology keep it secret?
(I really don't think that the Fed needs to know about this one,
do you?) Who really needs to become envious of them? The state?
The whole world? - Yeah, I would imagine so - that's why I'd keep
this technology secret to those that delegate the rest of where
responsibility lies to "helping" humanity where it needs help the
most, while providing a form of currency for those that work
"outside" of earth's orbit! The moon, to me, seems like some
rather huge "dustbowl" that, once there, might trap the tourist
into becoming a slave-of-the-state - forever churning out life
support systems for "Lex Luthor" and his associates.

No, I'd rather "wing it" to LEO with one of those Orion type
propulsion systems, re-engineered to include the non-lethal
"bomblet" type, with a 3,000 TON payload, Stanford Torus type,
and begin using Material Specialists to assist in the acquisition
and modularization of components for both a power satellite con-
struction center and cargo vessel. The "Center" would be a place
where much of the actual construction of an Asteroid cargo vessel
takes place, with some provision for human living quarters, or
"habitcons" available, so that the first ten people that arrive
must be able to work inside an inflatable "bubble" with ceramic/
steel framing surrounding the core. The core "bubble with
ceramic/steel frame" should be assembled, with fully functional
core "habitcons" in under 100 man hours time. The core consists
of an inflatable toroidal bladder that is restrained against ex-
pansion by a web of straps. The straps are attached to a rigid
ceramic/steel frame using clevice/pin(s) on the internal circum-
ference. Eight men, with rotating crews of four, and the remain-
ing two on standby, each working 25 hours in a weeks time, should
have the core project completed and ready for expansion into the
construction center. Once the core is complete, additional modules
for construction are "unpacked" and assembled on to the core by a
crew of four men. The expanded core now includes a cargo bay
storage area with a cryogenic welding supply system in place, as
well as the habitcons with (20) potable water temperature con-
trolled stowages (one for each man). Now the center becomes a
self-sustaining life support area w/ replenishment food, water,
and air, as well as additional modules for construction for the
space station, as well as for the cargo vessel fuselage,
fuel cells, etc.

After this so-called "base station" becomes semi-operational,
another crew arrives from a second Orion-type spacecraft,
delivering additional life support systems, potable water sup-
plies, foodstuffs, and modules for construction. The nature of
the mission is two-fold: (1) To finish the Orbital Torus, and
(2) To launch an NEA flyby, followed by Cargo Vessel for mineral,
water ice, and metals extraction. Launch facility and cargo vessel
delivery systems are a private enterprise, whereas GAMS (stands
for Geosynchronous Asteroid Mapping System) delivery from LEO
are an incorporation interest venture. SATCOM would coordinate
data received from the GAMS flyby with a window of opportunity
for the cargo landing. For this reason, the decision to launch
the flyby requires a window that stretches from a long range,
low delta-V to a short range, high delta-V, and the cargo vessel
window of opportunity exists to a lesser degree within this window.
SATCOM should also decide what the time differential is between
the outer and inner windows of opportunity, and coordinate launch
schedules between the GAMS launch facility and the cargo vessel.

There is an SAR server program that could be developed as a sim-
ulation of an actual transmission of SAR data from a single server
to pro-GAMS clients. All that is required of the clients is that
they are logged in to a part of an Asteroid Mining Technology web-
site in order to process the raw data thru an applet that runs
while the client is logged on to the website. Since data collection
takes several weeks to several months, the amount of data collected
must be compared to what the actual frame and time stamped
telemetry data would be on an actual GAMS flyby, using the Monte
Carlo method. This method provides a mapping technique using virtual
geo-modeling for the asteroid terrain characteristics. The length
of the virtual data telemetry collection period could then be com-
pressed into a simulated rendition of the full SAR telemetry stream.
The server program would help to establish an SAR mockup of what the
actual conditions would be for a GAMS flyby.

Currently, there is nothing mentioned anywhere, except maybe in the
search for extraterrestrial intelligence, for distributed, online
computing systems. Components of a distributed SAR mapping system
would provide additional processing power for RTL (Real Time Looping)
using distributed Fortran Java applets for frequency and time chart-
ing of the frame and time stamped data, or cells. The data sets for
input to a simulated telemetry database are capable of being stored
in a single 2GHZ computer, however a distributed database allows the
functionality to increase the number of systems for data storage.
In such a scenario, several methodologies utilizing extraterrestrial
resource awareness and data mining involving Near Earth Asteroids can
be implemented on a world wide scale.

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