Re: Physicist James Van Allen Dies at 91

"Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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No one has ever proven that there is extraterrestrial life. That
doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, but no proof exists. And your
evidence is beyond the pale. You are simply dreaming. Pseudo science
and false art.

That's rather odd because, as of nearly seven years ago I had offered
more than sufficient proof as extracted from nearly 10 year old science
that had been right in front of our dumbfounded faces and of centuries
worth of physics that doesn't by itself tend to lie.

Like your side rear-view mirror; nearby ETs may be a whole lot closer
than you think.

Mainstream published and institutional textbook promoted
infomercial-science and of their highly conditional laws of physics,
plus having imposed as much evidence exclusion as they can possibly get
away with, is all about the upper most 0.1% of humanity sustaining these
local rusemasters of their bought and paid for politics, religion and of
their puppet governments as having each of their strings continually
pulled until their private parts hurt. Therefore the honest likes of Ed
Conrad's 280 million year old human isn't even worth squat, any more so
than the truth and nothing but the truth is hardly ever allowed to see
the light of day. Clearly there's insufficient profit in whatever's
truth, whereas infomercial-history is actually where all the real action
is because, with such history that's skewed in order to suit the hidden
agenda or ulterior motive of the day, as such you can essentially get
away with anything, and better yet without ever involving a stitch of
remorse because, their ends are always justified by the means.

For example; Club/cult SETI is not only barking up those wrong trees,
but more than likely as having been barking at entirely the wrong
extraterrestrial forest of such trees. SETI couldn't have established a
more narrow mindset and thus nearly impossible task if it were
intentionally planned that way from the very get-go, of which I happen
to think it was intentionally orchestrated as just that.

Not only is the recently published "SETI Requires a Skeptical
Reappraisal" by; PETER SCHENKEL
<http://www.csicop.org/si/2006-03/seti.htmloffering> a perfectly fair
and balanced report, but unfortunately it clearly doesn't go nearly far
enough as to uncovering the evil root of the problem(s) within the SETI
cultism that has clearly a hidden agenda as well as ulterior motives,
that seem to relate primarily to protecting their offshore bank
accounts, or otherwise towards sustaining their tax avoidance status
quo. (wouldn't you do the same?)

"But SETI activities so far do not justify this hope. They recommend a
more realistic and sober view. Considering the negative search results,
the creation of excessive expectations is only grist to the mill of the
naysayers-for instance, members of Congress who question the scientific
standing of SETI, imputing to it wishful thinking, and denying it
financial support. This absolutely negative approach to SETI is
certainly wrong, because contrary to the UFO hoax, SETI (as UCLA space
scientist Mark Moldwin [2004] stressed in a recent issue of this
magazine) is based on solid scientific premises and considerations. But
exaggerated estimates fail to conform to realities, as they are seen
today, tending to backfire and create disappointment and a turning away
from this fascinating scientific endeavor. The dream of mankind to find
brethren in space may yet be fulfilled. If it is not, man should not
feel sorry for his uniqueness. Rather that circumstance should boost the
gratitude for his existence and his sense of responsibility for making
the most of it."

How about instead of folks continually going for those multi-thousand
lightyear wire-tapping efforts (thus representing essentially no
possible hope in sight), as currently performed by the majority of SETI
types, there's nearby Venus that's perfectly capable of hosting life
that isn't at all about how terribly hot and nasty that Venusian
environment has been, whereas it's actually all about the ongoing greed,
arrogance and highly institutionalized bigotry of what's represented by
our mainstream status quo incest of the worse possible mutated forms of
life that exist upon Earth, as being opposed to any such other life
regardless of the evidence, the physics, of whatever's hard-science or
the consequences of banishing such knowledge of other life.

Just because Venus has been a tad bit geothermally active and thus
unavoidably hot and/or somewhat humanly toasty isn't such an
insurmountable reason as for having prevented the natural emergence of
other life, as having originally existed and/or as having merely
somewhat recently coexisted, as to such other life having been
automatically excluded or otherwise banished from the Venusian
environment seems rather unlikely, that which the newish Venusian
environment seems otherwise as having so much to offer. Of course my
observationology of interpreting as to what looks so
artificial/intelligent and otherwise infrastructure rational is most
likely just what it is. Sorry about that.

If the ESA's Venus EXPRESS PFS instrument is not viable, then perhaps
we/SETI can devote some local efforts as to interplanetary laser (ABL if
need be) communication efforts, especially whenever Venus is so nearby
every 19 months. Though it's too bad we still haven't established that
LL-1 science platform to work from, much less of and VL2/TRACE science
platform as halo station-keeping within the Venusian L2 zone. Perhaps
China will soon enough accomplish the first and thereby having
established this one and only such LL-1 science station on our behalf,
and then so much other improvements should follow suit.

"dkomo" <dkomo871@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Why haven't they found *us*? Let's see, our galaxy has about 300
billion stars. The latest estimate I've seen is that 90% of them could
have planets. That's 270 billion planets (assuming only one planet per
star system) to search in order to find intelligent species. That's a
tall order even for a very advanced alien civilization. And our own
planet has been lit up at night only since about the late 1800's when
gas lightning in the streets of cities became commonplace, while
widespread use of radio waves didn't come along until the 1920's.

Unfortunately, we're also still into the primitive phase of having to
utilize those easily distorted and otherwise badly interstellar
attenuated microwaves, and/or of wussy radar signals that are still
terribly interstellar inefficient (especially if having been originated
from the surface of Earth, and not otherwise as having been generated
external to our magnetosphere), and even at that there's been no serious
beacon efforts honestly applied towards the most nearby of the most
viable other star/solar systems.

On our global warming Earth is a realm where human greed, arrogance and
bigotry has been policy, thus being status quo snookered and/or
dumbfounded (to death if need be) is also a requirement. Unfortunately,
Most of our talents and resources thus far have been devoted as to
exterminating our own kind over the limited energy and rare element
resources of this magnetosphere failing planet. Go figure.

I'm thinking that other ET life could be much like right here on Earth,
whereas we have certain islands of sufficient isolation that have been
teaming with complex plant and animal life, yet never once having
evolved with an original species of human as to contaminate, pillage and
rape everything to death, whereas I tend to believe there are a few such
other worlds (possibly nearby) without a human infestation.

I also believe with conviction that we're heald within a 105,000 (+/-
5,000) year orbital cycle with our parent Sirius star/solar system. I
have to keep saying this because of the available science and also
because the regular laws of physics is what's making it somewhat
impossible to not be the case.

Gravity sucks, as in regardless of whatever big-bang or the many
little-bangs of happenstance, whereas everything remains unavoidably in
orbit around something. We are not biologically, intellectually nor
otherwise physically alone, just having been rather badly snookered and
otherwise having been dumbfounded to death for most of our pathetically
bigoted lives.

Why the heck do you suppose our SETI is looking only for those
remainders of other such arrogant, greedy, dumbfounded and terribly
bigoted humans (apparently looking primarily as for those Jewish ETs
none the less)?

By the time we've detected their multi-thousand light year old message,
arnt those folks rather dead, as may will be the whole incest lot of
humanity upon this magnetosphere failing Earth within the next thousand
years. So what's the difference?

I still have a few perfectly serious physics and hard-science related
questions about Venus, of which I'll gladly share and share alike by way
of paying the likes of yourself big-time loot if you'll help my research
along, or otherwise merely for contributiing as for kicking a few of
those mainstream butts that are in a bad way in need of their status quo
mindsets of naysayism getting kicked to hell.
-
Brad Guth


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