Re: Genocide

On Jan 29, 1:38 pm, simberg.interglo...@xxxxxxxxx (Rand Simberg)
wrote:" Have you ever considered actually posting things that are
relevant to the discussion, and making sense?"

Try this rand, so take your own advice and answer pats question about
what to do in Darfur, and see if you can answer it without using
fallacies and your other sommonly used evasive tactics.

Well pat, im not sure if the military solution is the best way for
attempting to stop the atrocities occurring the western region of
Sudan, known as Darfur. First some information on the government of
Sudan's (GOS) actions of atrocity in the Darfur region, shows the
conflict can be summarized as the state department did describing the
conflict as "Arabs or (GOS and militia forces) vs. non-Arab villagers
belonging primarily to the Zaghawa, Massilit, and Fur ethnic groups."
Now the state department citations below shows our administrations
current worries for the conflict in Darfur, and that the current
competition for scarce resources has contributed to the conflict such
as water and grazing rights (a similarity to U.S. western states
issues).

Now maybe a possible solution to stop the hostilities and atrocities
amongst the regions peoples would involve addressing the water and
grazing rights of the west, just the like oil revenues and
infrastructure improvements were part of the Comprehensive Peace
Agreement.


http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-
english&y=2007&m=January&x=200701251642531EJrehsiF0.5008814

25 January 2007
Sudan's Peace Accord Making Progress, U.S. Official Says
Director of State Department's Sudan Programs Group Landis comments
By Jim Fisher-Thompson
USINFO Staff Writer
Washington -- The agreement the United States helped broker in Sudan
that ended more than 20 years of civil war is making "steady
progress," says Lauren Landis, director of the State Department's
Sudan Programs Group.
"We see the CPA [Comprehensive Peace Agreement] moving forward,"
Landis told USINFO during a January 25 interview. "But like any
comprehensive settlement, the hard parts are going to take longer."
Nagging issues still remain, she said, like ongoing violence in
Darfur, but gains have been made under the agreement in the areas of
power sharing, the economy and security. She said such progress forms
building blocks for reunifying the divided nation. (See related
article.)
Part of that effort involves strengthening South Sudan, Landis
explained, and progress is being made there in rebuilding
infrastructure, especially roads, as well as training the Southern
army. Such training is allowed under the CPA, and those soldiers
eventually will be folded into the national army under unification.
The South also is receiving oil revenues under the CPA -- about $1
billion since the agreement was signed -- she added."

http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-
english&y=2006&m=December&x=20061220182457AKllennoCcM0.2730677
"20 December 2006
Sudan Must Implement Peace Plan by End of 2006, U.S. Envoy Says
Ambassador Natsios urges Sudan to allow "hybrid" peacekeeping force
By Kathryn McConnell
USINFO Staff Writer
Washington -- If Sudan does not implement fully a negotiated
Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA) for Darfur by the end of 2006, the
United States will embark on another strategy to bring relief to the
many innocent people in the region who are suffering as a result of
ongoing hostilities, says U.S. Special Envoy for Sudan Andrew
Natsios.... Natsios said he welcomed Sudan's two-year extension of an
accelerated procedure that allows nongovernmental organizations and
U.N. aid workers to get into Darfur.
He also said he has offered to be an "intermediary" between Sudan and
neighboring Chad. Rising violence in Darfur, which borders Chad, is
spilling over into Chad, endangering its citizens and threatening to
destabilize a larger area.
For a peace agreement in Darfur to be successful, Natsios said,
militant groups will have to be disarmed. Because of violence in the
region he did not meet with any rebel leaders as he had planned, he
added.
Natsios said he was pleased with the recent appointment of Jan
Eliasson, former Swedish foreign minister, as a U.N. special envoy for
Darfur to deal with the humanitarian and security crisis. Eliasson,
who was president of the 60th U.N. General Assembly, will assume his
duties at the beginning of 2007. His main task will be to "work the
diplomatic channels" outside Sudan to encourage governments to remain
engaged in the issue, said outgoing Secretary-General Kofi Annan."


http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/36028.htm
Ethnographic Background
Darfur covers about one-fifth of Sudan's vast territory and is home to
one-seventh of its population. It includes a mixture of Arab and non-
Arab ethnic groups, both of which are predominantly Muslim (see map,
p. 6). The Fur ethnic group (Darfur means "homeland of the Fur") is
the largest non-Arab ethnic group in the region. Northern Darfur State
is home to the nomadic non-Arab Zaghawa but also includes a
significant number of Arabs, such as the Meidab. Sedentary non-Arabs
from the Fur, Massalit, Daju, and other ethnic groups live in Western
Darfur State. The arid climate and the competition for scarce
resources over the years have contributed to recurring conflict
between nomadic Arab herders and non-Arab farmers, particularly over
land and grazing rights. Various ethnic groups have fought over access
to water, grazing rights, and prized agricultural land as
desertification has driven herders farther south.
Refugee Interviews--Survey Results
Most reports followed a similar pattern:
1) GOS aircraft or helicopters bomb villages.
2) GOS soldiers arrive in trucks, followed closely by Jingaweit
militia riding horses or camels.
3) GOS soldiers and militia surround and then enter villages, under
cover of gunfire.
4) Fleeing villagers are targets in aerial bombing.
5) The Jingaweit and GOS soldiers loot the village after most citizens
have fled, often using trucks to remove belongings.
6) Villages often experience multiple attacks over a prolonged period
before they are destroyed by burning or bombing.

The Atrocities Documentation Team conducted a random-sample survey of
Darfurian refugees in eastern Chad in July and August 2004. The team
interviewed 1,136 refugees, many of whom had endured harsh journeys
across the desolate Chad-Sudan border.
A plurality of the respondents were ethnic Zaghawa (46 percent), with
smaller numbers belonging to the Fur (8 percent) and Massalit (30
percent) ethnic groups. Slightly more than half the respondents (56
percent) were women. (See map, p. 6, showing ethnicity of respondent
refugees.)
Respondents reported ethnic tensions in the region had risen over the
past few years. For example, markets in which non-Arabs and Arabs had
previously interacted have become segregated, and almost all villages
are now said to be ethnically homogenous. According to many of the
interviewees, GOS soldiers and Jingaweit attacked villages because of
their non-Arab populations; men of fighting age have been abducted,
executed, or both; and women and girls have been abducted and raped."

Tom




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