Re: Satellite defense

"Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> "Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>
:> :
:> :Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> :> "Eric Chomko" <pne.chomko@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> :On Jan 31, 9:31 pm, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :> :> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :> :>
:> :> :> :On Jan 30, 10:00 pm, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :> :> :> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :> :> :>
:> :> :> :> :On Jan 30, 4:46 pm, simberg.interglo...@xxxxxxxxx (Rand Simberg)
:> :> :> :> :wrote:
:> :> :> :> :> On 30 Jan 2007 13:37:12 -0800, in a place far, far away, "Eric Chomko"
:> :> :> :> :> <pne.cho...@xxxxxxxxxxx> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
:> :> :> :> :> a way as to indicate that:
:> :> :> :> :>
:> :> :> :> :> >P.S. I have often worried about having to face Europe and the EU in
:> :> :> :> :> >another WW, thinking that odds are against us.
:> :> :> :> :>
:> :> :> :> :> If this were from a non-idiot, I'd think it was a joke.
:> :> :> :> :
:> :> :> :> :What the hell do you think would happen if the dollar lost it's
:> :> :> :> :hegemony status in the world?
:> :> :> :>
:> :> :> :> What do YOU think would happen? We'd declare war on Europe?
:> :> :> :
:> :> :> :Only if the euro took over the dollar on the world stage.
:> :> :>
:> :> :> So you think that if the Euro ever became the default reserve currency
:> :> :> in the world we'd declare war on Europe.
:> :> :
:> :> :We'd be forced to, ...
:> :>
:> :> Horse manure.
:> :>
:> :> :... especially if petroeuro took over petrodollar. It
:> :> :would be all covert and all. Check the US stance right now of Iran
:> :> :trying to cushy up to European countries to have them buy Iranian
:> :> :oil.
:> :>
:> :> And will we get an actual cite out of Eric *THIS* time, or will he
:> :> once again just act as if his delusions are real?
:> :
:> :"Drugs, Oil and War", Peter Dale Scott, 2003.
:>
:> I hadn't realized that some minor author writing niche books several
:> years ago was the definer of "the US stance right now".
:
:Minor author? So you are familar with Scott? What do you know about
:him? I know he is an impeccable researcher. His book, "Deep Politics
:and the Death of JFK" is a classic. He is an author with over four
:decades of experience and no one as ever been able to dispute his
:research. He has a book coming out this year. So much for your "right
:now" claim.

That's nice. When was he elected to define "the US stance right now"?

:> Do you not know what I cite is, or is it that you don't know what you
:> say?
:
:Why don't you tell me what you cite? I know what I say. Why not
:explain what you say?

Typo. Should have read: Do you not know what a cite is, or is it
that you don't know what you say?

:> :>
:> :> :>
:> :> :> Ok, more evidence that Eric Chomko is an absolute loon.
:> :> :
:> :> :Ad hominem. Low for you Freddy, as I expect it from Rand. Now you.
:> :> :Fascists of a feather and all that.
:> :>
:> :> Well, we've already seen that you don't know what 'fascist' means.
:> :
:> :No, I didn't know what your meaning of the word meant. Webster and I
:> :were always on the same page.
:>
:> Revisionist twaddle.
:
:The dictionary, revisionist twaddle? Yes, the world according to Fred
:J. McCall: Webster is not to be believed.

More El Chimpko lies. He started bleating "fascist" at people and
when asked why he was calling people that was ABSOLUTELY disconnected
from anything remotely resembling actual English meanings.

:>
:> :>
:> :> :And you'd better hope that I'm not a loon when I say I think we'd win
:> :> :that war.
:> :>
:> :> No, I'm merely sure you're a loon when you claim that there would BE
:> :> 'that war'.
:> :
:> :I sure hope it doesn't happen.
:> :
:> :>
:> :> :Or do you have a tory side like the Bushes and would simply
:> :> :turncoat yourself back to Europe?
:> :>
:> :> Yeah, you'd never put words in someone's mouth or engage in ad
:> :> hominem, would you, Eric?
:> :
:> :I asked a question.
:>
:> No, you uttered a lie and then wrapped a strawman question around it.
:
:Says you.

Yeah, I'll keep telling you that hurtful truth, El Chimpko.

:Communication is two-way, Fred.

Not with you; the phone is unplugged at your end.

:Perhaps you need work on
:your end?

Nope. My end is fine.

:> :> I won't call you a fascist, though. You're just a lying idiot.
:> :
:> :More lost power on your part. Everytime you call me a liar and stupid,
:> :you shrink.
:>
:> Poor Eric. He thinks this sort of sophomoric twaddle will actually
:> work.
:
:Work? It isn't about work, but what is. With all your grand experience
:you miss the human element.

Is that supposed to make sense?

:> You're still a stupid liar, Eric. You will continue to be so until
:> you decide to change.
:
:To fit your qualifications of approval? Fat chance, Freddy. Go tell
:that to your son and see if it works.

Just try and fit our present reality, El Chimpko.

But you won't. You're just not smart enough.

:> :> :Do your handlers know how much of a twit you are on the net?
:> :>
:> :> What 'handlers' would those be, Eric? Unlike you and other zoo
:> :> animals, I don't require 'handlers'.
:> :
:> :The ones that certified you as "sane". Those handlers.
:>
:> Poor Eric. I guess zoo animals don't know the difference between
:> 'handler' and 'doctor'.
:
:So your handlers are doctors? Poor Freddy doesn't see himself as the
:test subject (aka guinea pig).

Eric has obviously spun off into his only little delusional world
again. Who's got the thorazine?

:> :> :>
:> :> :> :What do you
:> :> :> :think we'd do Freddy? Try and win back top status in the UN?
:> :> :>
:> :> :> No, I think life would go on pretty much like it is now.
:> :> :
:> :> :So every country that buys oil through OPEC no longer as reserve
:> :> :dollars for oil purchases because it is all done in euros (reserve)
:> :> :and it is business as usual?
:> :>
:> :> Pretty much.
:> :
:> :And you claim to have a an econ degree?! Get your moey back!!
:>
:> Why? So far, all I've seen is idiotic remarks on your part.
:>
:> Leaving aside your paranoid delusions for a moment, just what magical
:> thing do you think would happen if oil was purchased in euros that
:> would force the United States to declare war on Europe?
:
:It has to do with hegemony and reserves other countries maintain in
:order to buy oil. A glut of dollars going nowhere (devaluation) in
:lieu of euros to purchase oil would force the US to change. Perhaps we
:could/would change? Find a new source of energy and compete at that
:level. Short of that we'd have to sure up our war machine and revert
:the world back to the dollar standard. (hegemony). Maybe we'd still
:have the drug markets, though.

Eric, your paranoid delusions aren't even new. I remember clear back
in the '60s when there was great angst about 'EuroDollars' and the
quantity of them floating about and what would happen if they all came
home to roost. Ten and fifteen years later there was much crying in
the same vein about 'PetroDollars'.

Think it through, Eric. What happens when oil contracts start being
paid in euros? Take it slow. What effects occur when these 'excess'
dollars start to come out?

Hint: They don't "maintain reserves in order to buy oil". Currency
reserves are kept for other reasons.

:> :> :One wonders how much LSD you took in the 60s, as I think you're having
:> :> :another flashback.
:> :>
:> :> One wonders when you'll stop snorting your own feces, as the practice
:> :> has obviously led to considerable brain damage.
:> :>
:> :> :>
:> :> :> :>
:> :> :> :> Rand is wrong. You're not just an idiot. You're actively insane.
:> :> :> :
:> :> :> :Nice ploy, Freddy. Forget your words, but notice the passion. I have
:> :> :> :you and you know it.
:> :> :>
:> :> :> By all means, elucidate about how you 'have me'.
:> :> :
:> :> :Every post and by the balls...
:> :>
:> :> Poor Eric doesn't even know the difference between 'how' and 'when'.
:> :>
:> :> Poor deluded boy...
:> :>
:> :> :> While you're at it,
:> :> :> you can explain the UK's attack on us when the dollar took over from
:> :> :> the pound.
:> :> :
:> :> :Easy. We had already whipped them twice, 1783 and 1812, so they were
:> :> :in no mood for a third whipping when we took over top status. "If you
:> :> :can't beat then join then". They did.
:> :>
:> :> You're nuts. You also immediately contradict yourself with...
:> :>
:> :> :And the UK would be the first to join up with the EU, not as a member
:> :> :per se but as an ally, if the term petroeuro took over petrodollar.
:> :
:> :How is stating what would happen in the 21st century contradictory to
:> :what happened in the 19th or 20th century? People flip sides all the
:> :time. Look at us and the UK. Germany after WWII, etc.
:>
:> Let me try and make it simple enough so that even you get it. Your
:> excuse for why the UK didn't declare war on the United States when the
:> dollar overtook the pound as the default 'reserve' currency is "they
:> were in no mood for a third whipping when we took over top status".
:
:Yep. When was that Freddy? When did US $'s replace British pounds
:sterling?

Except for a brief period when Britain dropped off the gold standard
(1931-1945), it didn't much matter what currency you held. After all,
they were all fixed to a given quantity of gold. When that collapsed
in the early '70s, the dollar became the de facto currency (because
there were so many of them in circulation throughout the world and
because our economy was so large).

I guess you could say that the British pound lost its supremacy in the
early part of the 20th century and things were mixed until the 1970's,
where the US dollar took over.

:> You immediately follow that with "the UK would be the first to join up
:> with the EU, not as a member per se but as an ally, if the term
:> petroeuro took over petrodollar".
:
:Yep. The UK has the advantage of not being $-based nor euro-based, so
:if an economic conflict occurred the UK could simply align itself with
:the victor. Nice safe place.

Your reasoning here is rather like saying that the ideal place to be
in a head on collision is between the two cars.

Really stupid.

The euro is actually causing economic problems for some member
nations. Once you understand why, you'll understand why Britain
doesn't want to join EMU (not the EU, which it has been a member of
for years).

:> You don't see the contradiction there?
:
:If the petrodollar was NOT replaced with petroeuro, then the UK stays
:pat, aligned with us as they have been. What part don't you get,
:Freddy?

And if it does, they still do. Their reasons for not joining the EMU
have nothing to do with your pet issue. What part don't you get, El
Chimpko?

:> Oh, and just by the way, the UK ***IS ALREADY A MEMBER OF THE EU***.
:
:Okay, okay, cripes, eurozone. Is the UK part of the eurozone?

Not currently, but the reasons have nothing to do with your loony
petro issues. Note that Denmark and Sweden aren't members, either.

:> I guess that sort of obviates your "join up with the EU, not as a member
:> per se", since they've BEEN a member for years.
:
:If petrodollar is replaced with petroeuro, then the UK will drop
:pounds and adopt the euro. My prediction.

I'd suggest you might want to look at Britain's actual reasons for not
joining the EMU at this time. 'Petroleum' doesn't appear at all (and
Britain gets most of its petroleum from the North Sea fields in any
case, so doesn't pay 'dollars' for it anyhow).

:> :> :> :> :Do you really think anyone thought in 1920 that we'd be at war with
:> :> :> :> :German again in less than 25 years?
:> :> :> :>
:> :> :> :> What does what people did or did not think in 1920 have to do with
:> :> :> :> anything?
:> :> :> :
:> :> :> :The fact that no one predicted WWII with Germany after WWI. Please try
:> :> :> :and keep up...
:> :> :>
:> :> :> Let me try again.
:> :> :
:> :> :Please do...
:> :> :
:> :> :> WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?
:> :> :
:> :> :In the context that consumers of OPEC oil no longer have to have
:> :> :reserve dollars to buy oil, EVERYTHING! And if we had to change
:> :> :dollars into euros to buy oil? Hell, that is a better incentive than
:> :> :what Al Gore suggested to force us to look for new forms of energy.
:> :>
:> :> Try again. One more time...
:> :
:> :Nice try. Won't work this time. Spin your own wheels.
:>
:> In other words, you've recognized that you'll never get it because of
:> your own mental defects.
:
:No, you refuse to listen.

You refuse to make any sense.

:>
:> :
:> :> WHAT DOES THE FACT THAT NO ONE PREDICTED WWII WITH GERMANY AFTER WWI
:> :> HAVE TO DO WITH OPEC, OIL, DOLLARS, OR EUROS IN THIS CONTEXT?
:> :
:> :No more worldwide dollar reserves. Euro reserves. What does that mean
:> :Freddy?
:>
:> It means you're delusional. What do you think it 'means', Eric?
:
:It means that more than 13 countries would be part of the eurozone,
:including the UK.

So? And you think this will somehow force the United States to
declare war on Europe...

:> :> JESUS, are you stupid!
:> :
:> :Apparently smarter than you.
:>
:> Not so anyone could notice it.
:>
:> :You are aware that the dollar is used for
:> :all oil purchases right?
:>
:> You've tried to beat this drum before. It doesn't mean anything.
:
:It is the truth! Read: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/iraq.html

I didn't say it wasn't the truth, Eric. I said IT DOESN'T MEAN
ANYTHING, loony websites notwithstanding.

:> :It isn't out of convenience, Freddy.
:>
:> It isn't out of some half-vast conspiracy that you're demented enough
:> to believe, either.
:>
:> :> :> Perhaps the uppercase will help you understand the question...
:> :> :
:> :> :Math, Economic and CS degrees and you type *** like this...
:> :>
:> :> Claims to three degrees and you demonstrate stupidity like this...
:> :
:> :Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
:>
:> In your case, it's more 'flatulence' than 'flattery'.
:
:Yes, you are the fart that does not stop stinking...

I keep waiting for you to say something of substance (other than the
usual brown excretory substance with which you lard your posts).

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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