Re: ...This is How Far Nasa has Fallen.....Even I can't believe this....

Christopher <auem28@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:On Sun, 20 May 2007 08:10:59 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:<fmccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:
:>Christopher <auem28@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>
:>:On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:35:21 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:>:<fmccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:
:>:>Christopher <auem28@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>
:>:>:On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:31:47 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:>:>:<fmccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:
:>:>:>Christopher <auem28@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:>
:>:>:>:On Fri, 18 May 2007 23:51:02 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:>:>:>:<fmccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>Christopher <auem28@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>:On Fri, 18 May 2007 14:51:14 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:>:>:>:>:<fmccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>Christopher <auem28@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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:>:>:>:>:>:On Fri, 18 May 2007 10:21:03 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:>:>:>:>:>:<fmccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:>Christopher <auem28@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>:>:>:On Fri, 18 May 2007 09:15:08 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:>:>:>:>:>:>:<fmccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>Christopher <auem28@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:On Fri, 18 May 2007 00:35:56 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:<fmccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>Christopher <auem28@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:On Thu, 17 May 2007 13:29:01 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:<fmccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>Christopher <auem28@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:True. But I bet some people are already working on it. We have a
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:need for speed to cross interstellar space.
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>For some very, very broad definition of 'working on it', perhaps.
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:Well the British Interplanetary did have a proposal in the 1950's i.e.
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:Project Daedalus, and plasma rockets seem to be the next step for
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:space propulsion, with perhaps a solar sail for a first stage.
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>Talk is cheap.
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:"...we choose to go to the Moon..."
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>The difference being, of course, that there was something other than
:>:>:>:>:>:>:>words.
:>:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:>:Yeah it was a big willy contest with the Russians.
:>:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>:>:>So what is what you want?
:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>:An international space program, with the member nations contributing
:>:>:>:>:>:an equal amount, of technological assistance in the required
:>:>:>:>:>:engineering required to a common design of engine and spacecraft, if
:>:>:>:>:>:they cannot contribute funding persay.
:>:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>:>Koombaya....
:>:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>:>This would be the worst and least efficient way to accomplish
:>:>:>:>:>anything.
:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:No, it's the only way for us to move out into space,
:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>Why?
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:Because the cost of us going beyond the Moon, and into the solar
:>:>:>:system proper is to great for one nation alone,
:>:>:>
:>:>:>Then we'll never go, since all using a conglomeration of nations does
:>:>:>is raise the cost faster than it raises the available resources.
:>:>:
:>:>:Might as well disband all the worlds space agency's then, and spend
:>:>:the money on schools and hospitals.
:>:>:
:>:>
:>:>Only if your silly position was true, but the evidence is all against
:>:>it. Several NATIONAL space programs have gotten people into space.
:>:
:>:Not off there own backs.
:>:
:>
:>???
:>
:>Was that supposed to make some kind of sense?
:
:Do you see any space programs in the said countries?
:

Which "said countries" would those be?

What ARE you nattering on about?

:>:>The 'internationalist' ESA space program, on the other hand, has not.
:>:>It has to buy rides on other peoples' vehicles, instead.
:>:
:>:ESA did have a perfectly good means with the Hermes mini shuttle, and
:>:the means to get it into orbit via the Ariane 5. But sadly it all
:>:came to nothing.
:>:
:>
:>Paper vehicles don't count.
:
:IIRC reading in the ESA press statments Hermes development got as far
:as NASA's CRV before it was axed, and a full scale replica had been
:built.
:

Paper vehicles don't count. 'Replicas' don't count. If you can
figure out how to get to space on either, by all means you should buy
your ticket.

:>:>:>:... as is the required
:>:>:>:technical and engineering requirement.
:>:>:>
:>:>:>Silly statement on its face.
:>:>:
:>:>:So you think American leads the world in technology.
:>:>:
:>:>
:>:>So you don't read simply declarative English sentences? Please point
:>:>to where I said any such thing.
:>:
:>:You gave the impression.
:>:
:>
:>Oh, so now your excuse is that you can't read?
:
:Yes.
:

Probably the first thing you've said that's right since this started.

:>:>Liar.
:>:
:>:I leave that to the politicians.
:>:
:>
:>Would that you did.
:
:Yes.
:

<snicker>

:>:>:>:It has to be an international
:>:>:>:effort.
:>:>:>
:>:>:>Again, why? Neither of your supposed reasons are true.
:>:>:>
:>:>:
:>:>:We are one species, and it has to involve getting out species of this
:>:>:world. Narrow nationalist thinking isn't going to do that.
:>:>:
:>:>
:>:>No? Why not? Are not the people of each nation the same species?
:>:
:>:Of course. Your point?
:>:
:>
:>My 'point' is that your stupid statement above about how "it has to
:>involve getting out species of this world" doesn't even support your
:>thesis.
:
:A thesis is associated with a PhD, and this is usenet, this is a
:newsgroup, what's said here on ssp has no effect as to what is decided
:in the real world. And that included PhD's.
:

No, a thesis is NOT necessarily associated with a PhD. You're stuck
on stupid on this, aren't you? The word 'thesis' means precisely what
I told you it means and needn't be associated with anything at all
other than a position.

:>:>You keep asserting silly things and then failing to come up with
:>:>anything other than another silly assertion when asked why the first
:>:>silly assertion must be true.
:>:>
:>:>:
:>:>:>
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:>And you're doing nothing toward it. So you don't think it's worth it,
:>:>:>:>:>either.
:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>:Strawman argument.
:>:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>
:>:>:>:>If you can't be bothered to do ANYTHING to forward a particular thing,
:>:>:>:>then that thing must not be worth it to you. If it was worth it,
:>:>:>:>you'd be willing to trade off something else.
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:And now you've fallen back on a non sequitur.
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:>I'd suggest you go look up what 'strawman argument' means.
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman :-p
:>:>:>
:>:>:>One hopes you learned something...
:>:>:
:>:>:Ditto.
:>:>
:>:>I've learned much and learn more every day. But not from scions of
:>:>ignorance like you.
:>:
:>:Ahh, a slur, I was wondering when you would drop to that level, must
:>:feel like coming home.
:>
:>I'm sorry you consider the truth a slur.
:
:No you're not. And the 'truth' is only relevant to the person.
:

Relative reality? That explains SO much...

:> Perhaps you should work on
:>that?
:
:Ditto.

They must be handing out Stupid Pills at the mall...


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