Re: What is "pointing" missiles?

On Jun 6, 12:13 am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:On Jun 5, 9:35 am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> "Frank Scrooby" <X...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
:>
:> :Greetings all
:> :
:> :"Fred J. McCall" <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
:> :news:8nh963h5ib05p2pgnmeiphrb8kjuro334t@xxxxxxxxxx
:> :> But Pat is precisely as stupid as the Russians want him to be. No
:> :> need to "launch the other way", Rand. A Russian attack against the US
:> :> will follow a Great Circle route over the North Pole.
:> :>
:> :> An interceptor in the Czech Republic will have precisely zero chance
:> :> of intercepting any weapon aimed at the United States by Russia.
:> :>
:> :
:> :Presumably the Russians know this.
:> :
:>
:> I would certainly hope so, since simple physics makes this pretty
:> clear.
:>
:> :
:> :Then why do they make such a fuss about the issue?
:> :
:> :Is it the fact that a US missible (ABM) based in the Czech Republic finally
:> :puts a nail in the coffin of the idea of Russia having a 'sphere of
:> :influence' in eastern Europe?
:> :
:>
:> You've got to remember that the Russians are historically paranoid
:> (and have reason to be).
:
:Please elaborate as to why you believe that the Russians have cause to
:be paranoid.
:

Ok, we've discovered another big gaping hole in El Chimpko's knowledge
base - world history.

Let's start going backward, shall we?

1) China
2) Hitler Germany
3) Allied intervention during the Revolution
4) Napoleon

Are you starting to catch on here?

Yes, but not us. I figured you'd leave us off the list (Cold War). I
asked seeking whether you would add the US to the list or not. Your
"we = good, they = bad" mentality is disingenuous, to say the least.
But that is a whole topic in and of itself. You clearly exhibit the
same behavior on a personal scale as well. Makes you sort of
"...there's no fool like and old fool..."


:
:> They just don't like the idea of the US
:> having bases in a country that close to them.
:
:No more than we like them having bases near us. I cite Cuba and what
:led to the Cuban Missile Crisis as an example.
:

I point out (again, for the slow) that there is a HUGE difference
between putting nuclear tipped offensive weapons aimed at someone
right next door and putting defensive, non-nuclear missiles not aimed
at someone right next door.

So the Jupiter missiles in Turkey during the Cold War were what again?
Fred anyone that believes that "they" always are on the offensive and
"we" are always are on the defensive is slow. I know it is called the
Dept.of Defense but most of the time we are on the offensive, and over
there...

:> :
:> :Or is it the fact that the US ABM base would have radars and infrastructure
:> :capable of assisting State-side ABM bases in successfully stopping a Russian
:> :over-the-pole attack on US soil?
:> :
:>
:> Unlikely. The DEW line gives just about as much warning and data as
:> is usable.
:>
:> :
:> :Or is the idea that the US can afford to build an ABM defense while Russia
:> :can not too much for the Russian psyche?
:> :
:>
:> Actually, I thought the Russians still had an operational system
:> deployed around Moscow. It's older technology (an upgrade started
:> some time back was never completed), probably not particularly
:> effective, and has 100 nuclear-tipped interceptors.
:>
:> :
:> :Or are the Russians just looking out for their top customers in Iran and
:> :North Korea?
:> :
:>
:> There is no doubt some of this. A combination of currying favour with
:> Iran and taking advantage of an opportunity to try to put a thumb in
:> our eye.
:
:For invading Iraq, perhaps?
:

Is that comment supposed to make sense?

Yes, precisely. Do you think that Putin's strained relations with Bush
is simply a one-way street? If you do, then you really are dumb. I
actually give you more credit than that, so rather than call you a
liar, as you love to do to others, I'll simply say that you like being
"politically correct" rather than real about US foriegn policy. We are
not pure, Freddy.

:
:>
:> Putin wants Russia to go back to being a world power in some throwback
:> to the 'bad old days'.
:>
:> :
:> :Or do the Russians want an Iranian or North Korean attack on the US or US
:> :allies to succeed?
:> :
:>
:> Unlikely.
:>
:> :
:> :Or is Putan an idiot?
:> :
:>
:> Or does he think there are a lot of 'useful idiots' over here who
:> won't stop to think about what he's saying?
:
:Clearly Putin is aware of Bush's loss of support and sees him as
:vulnerable. Bush may be the biggest useful idiot in the US for Putin
:but for a different reason than you cite.
:

The preceding is the sort of conclusion one arrives at if one keeps
one's head firmly up one's ideological ass.

Look at Tom Toles' cartoon (Washingon Post) just today and tell me who
he agrees with.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html


--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn


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