Re: What is "pointing" missiles?

Eric Chomko <pne.chomko@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:On Jun 6, 12:13 am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>
:> :On Jun 5, 9:35 am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :> "Frank Scrooby" <X...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> :Greetings all
:> :> :
:> :> :"Fred J. McCall" <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
:> :> :news:8nh963h5ib05p2pgnmeiphrb8kjuro334t@xxxxxxxxxx
:> :> :> But Pat is precisely as stupid as the Russians want him to be. No
:> :> :> need to "launch the other way", Rand. A Russian attack against the US
:> :> :> will follow a Great Circle route over the North Pole.
:> :> :>
:> :> :> An interceptor in the Czech Republic will have precisely zero chance
:> :> :> of intercepting any weapon aimed at the United States by Russia.
:> :> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :Presumably the Russians know this.
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> I would certainly hope so, since simple physics makes this pretty
:> :> clear.
:> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :Then why do they make such a fuss about the issue?
:> :> :
:> :> :Is it the fact that a US missible (ABM) based in the Czech Republic finally
:> :> :puts a nail in the coffin of the idea of Russia having a 'sphere of
:> :> :influence' in eastern Europe?
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> You've got to remember that the Russians are historically paranoid
:> :> (and have reason to be).
:> :
:> :Please elaborate as to why you believe that the Russians have cause to
:> :be paranoid.
:> :
:>
:> Ok, we've discovered another big gaping hole in El Chimpko's knowledge
:> base - world history.
:>
:> Let's start going backward, shall we?
:>
:> 1) China
:> 2) Hitler Germany
:> 3) Allied intervention during the Revolution
:> 4) Napoleon
:>
:> Are you starting to catch on here?
:
:Yes, but not us. I figured you'd leave us off the list (Cold War). I
:asked seeking whether you would add the US to the list or not. Your
:"we = good, they = bad" mentality is disingenuous, to say the least.
:But that is a whole topic in and of itself. You clearly exhibit the
:same behavior on a personal scale as well. Makes you sort of
:"...there's no fool like and old fool..."
:

Congratulations on your ignorance. I didn't leave the US off the
list. We were involved in landing troops in Russia during the
Revolution. Sorry your ignorance has yet again led you into error.

The Cold War isn't an example of why the Russians should be paranoid,
since THEIR behaviour is what caused it.

:>
:> :
:> :> They just don't like the idea of the US
:> :> having bases in a country that close to them.
:> :
:> :No more than we like them having bases near us. I cite Cuba and what
:> :led to the Cuban Missile Crisis as an example.
:> :
:>
:> I point out (again, for the slow) that there is a HUGE difference
:> between putting nuclear tipped offensive weapons aimed at someone
:> right next door and putting defensive, non-nuclear missiles not aimed
:> at someone right next door.
:
:So the Jupiter missiles in Turkey during the Cold War were what again?
:

They were not what Putin is upset about now. They are not what we
were upset about during the Cuban Missile Crisis (that was Russia
trying to do the same thing to us that we did to them at that time).

:
:Fred anyone that believes that "they" always are on the offensive and
:"we" are always are on the defensive is slow. I know it is called the
:Dept.of Defense but most of the time we are on the offensive, and over
:there...
:

Cute little strawman, but nobody said any such thing. Sorry your head
is so far up your ideological ass that you read your own entrails as
your oracular visions.

:> :> :
:> :> :Or is it the fact that the US ABM base would have radars and infrastructure
:> :> :capable of assisting State-side ABM bases in successfully stopping a Russian
:> :> :over-the-pole attack on US soil?
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> Unlikely. The DEW line gives just about as much warning and data as
:> :> is usable.
:> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :Or is the idea that the US can afford to build an ABM defense while Russia
:> :> :can not too much for the Russian psyche?
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> Actually, I thought the Russians still had an operational system
:> :> deployed around Moscow. It's older technology (an upgrade started
:> :> some time back was never completed), probably not particularly
:> :> effective, and has 100 nuclear-tipped interceptors.
:> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :Or are the Russians just looking out for their top customers in Iran and
:> :> :North Korea?
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> There is no doubt some of this. A combination of currying favour with
:> :> Iran and taking advantage of an opportunity to try to put a thumb in
:> :> our eye.
:> :
:> :For invading Iraq, perhaps?
:> :
:>
:> Is that comment supposed to make sense?
:
:Yes, precisely. Do you think that Putin's strained relations with Bush
:is simply a one-way street? If you do, then you really are dumb. I
:actually give you more credit than that, so rather than call you a
:liar, as you love to do to others, I'll simply say that you like being
:"politically correct" rather than real about US foriegn policy. We are
:not pure, Freddy.
:

So he's waited until NOW to get upset? Just how stupid are you, Eric?

:> :
:> :>
:> :> Putin wants Russia to go back to being a world power in some throwback
:> :> to the 'bad old days'.
:> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :Or do the Russians want an Iranian or North Korean attack on the US or US
:> :> :allies to succeed?
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> Unlikely.
:> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :Or is Putan an idiot?
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> Or does he think there are a lot of 'useful idiots' over here who
:> :> won't stop to think about what he's saying?
:> :
:> :Clearly Putin is aware of Bush's loss of support and sees him as
:> :vulnerable. Bush may be the biggest useful idiot in the US for Putin
:> :but for a different reason than you cite.
:> :
:>
:> The preceding is the sort of conclusion one arrives at if one keeps
:> one's head firmly up one's ideological ass.
:
:Look at Tom Toles' cartoon (Washingon Post) just today and tell me who
:he agrees with.
:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html
:

Why do I care who a cartoonist agrees with?


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truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
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