Re: Payback - Spacemining Style
- From: American <samuelransom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:58:05 -0800
On Nov 12, 6:54 pm, John Schilling <schil...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:06:10 -0800, American <samuelran...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Enthusiasts are meant to believe that delays in earth-
to-orbit technology are the result of lack of capital,
or technology, or the inability to integrate systems
into the bureaucracy of entrenched shuttle or space-
station diplomacy. Such would be the case if unheal-
thy market conditions existed for lone entrepreneurs
to prosper. Most of those 'lone entrepreneurs" seem
to be going the same way as Beal Aerospace did, with
increasing red tape causing approval delays as well
as expensive glitches causing flight delays and
equipment malfunction.
[...]
We're supposed to read a 300-line post by someone who
goes so far astray in the first paragraph?
I'm not aware of any of the current entrepreneurial
space start-ups being substantially limited in what
they can do with their real hardware by any excess
of red tape, and using red tape as an excuse for not
having real hardware is just whining.
So, for that matter, was Beal's "But the Eeeeevil
government is paying people who are Not Me to launch
spacecraft for them - how dare they interfere with
the market like that!".
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No, that is just the tip of the iceberg.
Just about everyone I know is fully aware that
launch costs are prohibitive. Just take a look at
the R&D space 'facility' made available to
corporations, et. al, who do business with the
federal government. They pay for a tiny place on
a tiny rack in a tiny room for access to the
gravity free environment of space:
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=ssff_2.gif
SEE, IT'S TOO SMALL!
A cheaper earth-to-orbit technology would probably
limit General Dynamics in orbital construction by
having to send to orbit modules for construction
instead of completely intact devices, such as large
propulsion drives and vessels, which require pieces
to be pressure fitted and joined in space. NASA
should re-examine the facilities in the current
Space Station Furnace Facility core with the view
of eliminating extraneous specializations. The core
is too small to accomodate autoclaves that would be
required in the casting of propulsion chambers and
nozzles for larger cargo vessels.
Autoclaves were used in the curing of the now
defunct Boeing X-33 LH2 tanks in late summer
of 1999. Most of the testing for interplan-
etary propulsion systems such as structural loads
testing and pressure testing with cryogenic fluids
should have an ORBITAL facility dedicated to
performing these tests.
As of December, 2001, the entire program has been
scrapped because of lack of interest and much-
needed funding by the U.S. Air Force, who consi-
dered the X-33 as more of a security threat than
military support vehicle, to the detriment of
Lockheed-Martin, as well as countless other
scientists and engineers who have contributed
to this project.
Maybe the security threat exists because of inter-
national moles, who would like to see the tech-
nology for the shuttle transferred to their own ailing
economies (lacking the free market enterprise
competition so prevalent in western society), or
maybe this is a pipe dream since international
competition is what is needed to keep the U.S.
economy from falling flat on its face! Whatever
the reason, there must be an admission of doubt
that moles deserve to rape the technology entrusted
to scientists with years of experience in perfecting
the science involved in a faster, cheaper RLV.
Yet scientists and engineers become merely greek
statues if they lose sight of the newer industrial
promise-markets meant to gain from the application
of "faster, cheaper" into things like interplanetary
mining, mapping satellites, orbital construction,
and satellite communication.
Without going back to the drawing board, the exper-
ience gained from the test firing of the X-33
shuttle main engines will allow the success story
to be told to future generations of those involved.
A military version of Second Generation Reusable
Launch Vehicle (2GRLV) WAS incorporating re-
search gleaned from the X-33 into its newer
prototype, under military observation, as it should.
Remember, the Soviets had an exact duplicate of
the shuttle ready for a test flight, but it didn't fly!
Now many smaller entrepreneurs are too tied up
with R&D costs on earth, let alone pay huge
sums of money that will end up defeating the
whole purpose of trying to keep ahead of costs,
in order that there might a greater market share
for the scientifically and engineering minded
types, in order that whatever tidbits of R&D fall
their way, could provide the impetus for
continuing to refine an advanced product line
of some sort.
That WAS the whole reason for developing a pro-
gram for cheaper space access, but lately it
would seem, that ANYONE with an attachment to
NASA ends up getting screwed - lock, stock, and
barrel - basically through extravagantly expensive
launch costs. This becomes indicative that anyone
who can "outspend" a prospective earth-to-orbit
enthusiast simply gets "bought off" by someone
else - particularly by large media networks or the
military industrial complex.
It is the great lobbying fiasco of the century
that uses PACS who infiltrate and then mask the
truly inexpensive technological helper industries
with bottomless cans of worms. Believe me, they're
REAL GOOD at it. That's why nobody likes
Republicans or Democrats. They've perfected the
art of masking the promise markets because the
wealthy are pulling their purse strings. They can't
afford to upgrade or revolutionize their own post-
WWII industries so they are content to
remain stagnant.
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees,
you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven
in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor
will you let those enter who are trying to."
Same goes for every single lying Republican,
Democrat, Communist, and non-Communist in
Washington, D.C. They have sold out to the
American people. They have betrayed the
promise which we have entrusted to them in
the form of revolutionary space technologies.
They are not now, nor ever will be, on the watch
for the coming future of promise market technology.
They will reap the evil seeds that they have sown
after the next election.
End of story.
American
"I never would have agreed to the formulation of the
Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven, if
I had known it would become the American Gestapo."
~ Harry S Truman, 1961
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