Re: Back to the moon? When?

Ian Parker <ianparker2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:On 16 Nov, 19:04, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :Why doesn't the US make digital cameras? The answer is that the
:> :Japanese are better at it.
:> :
:>
:> If that's true why are the Japanese 'offshoring' their manufacture to
:> China, Malaysia, and Taiwan? It's all about costs and who currently
:> has market penetration.
:>
:
:Business goes to where it is cheapest.
:

Which is totally at odds with your immediately preceding statement
that the US doesn't make digital cameras because the Japanese are
'better at it'. The US doesn't make digital cameras because the
Japanese could do it CHEAPER.

You don't get to talk out both sides of your mouth, Ian. Either
things move to CHEAPER places or things move to SUPERIOR places. You
can't have it both ways, choosing whichever one is convenient to your
current claims.

:
:>
:> :
:> :Unless you are a racist you cannot but conclude that if every economy
:> :were organized efficiently, and increasingly they are, the odds are
:> :stacked up against the US.
:> :
:>
:> Preposterous remark and a logical fallacy into the bargain.
:>
:> :
:> :You say Spanish is an obsession of mine.
:> :
:>
:> Only because it is.
:>
:> :
:> :Let us look at these figures again. With Latin America the US would be
:> :of comperable strength to the leading Asian nations. If you are not
:> :prepared to learn Spanish you are confronted with 300 million against
:> :billion strong nations.
:> :
:>
:> And everyone in Europe speaks every language in Europe? I don't think
:> so. They don't speak the same language all over India. They don't
:> speak the same language all over China.
:>
:
:No, they are in fact developing English as a common language.
:

Hogwash! What percentage of the population of China are fluent
English speakers? Have you ever read the directions that come with
some of their products? The words may be English, but they're strung
together in ways that make practically no sense.

:
:You cannot learn every European language.
:

Why not? Then how can the EU exist and you claim it as one of the
structures that will economically 'outclass' the US?

:
:This is different in America
:where there are only a few languages.
:

What difference does that make to your claims?

:
:You have missed the main point ...
:

No, you are just stupidly unable to make or support a 'point' other
than the one on the top of your head.


:... and this is a question of understanding
:the world. The US clearly does not understand the Middle East. There
:is a German proverb "Probieren gehy ueber studieren" - proving goes
:above studying. This means that if you have a civil war and ethic
:cleansing, you either don't understand the Middle East, or if you do
:you are a criminal who should stans trial at the Hague.
:

Can you say 'fallacy of the excluded middle'? Probably not, but you
certainly do engage in it a lot.

:
:There is one significant fact about the EU that seems to escape you
:and that is there is freedom of movement. There is no freedom of
:movement in America.
:

Of course there is. More so than in Europe, in point of fact. I can
travel thousands of miles with no ID at all. How far can you get
without papers?

:
:Indeed the right wing is taking about building a
:wall along the Mexican Frontier.
:

Not just 'the right wing'. That 'wall' is just to stop the people
without papers. You stop them in Europe, too.

:
:The right wing talks too about Syria. The border with Iraq is desert,
:the onus is on the US to build a wall.
:

Why? If organized groups of people with weapons were crossing the
border into Canada and shooting Mounties and members of the CF, would
the onus be on CANADA to stop them? I think not. I think in THAT
case the onus would be on us to control the use of OUR territory by
armed people (or we should be prepared for Canada to regard such
things as acts of war).

:
:The US seems to be baulking at
:the cost of a Mexican wall, yet it expects Syria to build a wall. This
:on top of the refugee crisis that the US has created.
:

And what would Syria do if we declared that border closed and simply
killed anyone close to it? This is why we want THEM to control it.
It's THEIR bloody country.

:
:The conclusion that can be drawn I think ...
:

No, you don't think. That's your ongoing problem.

:
:... is that the US does not
:understand the Middle East, the Far East or Latin America.
:

You can draw any silly conclusion you care to.

I get to call you stupid when your conclusions are silly.

You're stupid.

:
:>
:> :
:> :The 1Kg seed will require some pretty
:> :advanced knowledge. The US is ensuring that bilogical excellence will
:> :not reside there.
:> :
:>
:> Yet when you look at the research and product development in this
:> area, most of it seems to be here. Once again we've seen a
:> demonstration of posting by a Silly ASS.
:>
:
:Research is done all over the world.
:

Yes, and that simple fact explodes your previous position.

:
:I think ,,,
:

No, you don't. I thought that was established. It's certainly
obvious to anyone reading your bilge.

:
:... though we can form a few
:conclusions Basically until space resources can be exploited in some
:way it is useless to think of going much beyond what we are doing now.
:

And if that 'reasoning' had been followed back in the beginning we
wouldn't have GPS, communications satellites, weather satellites, etc.
There was no chance of 'exploiting' anything like that when we started
putting things into orbit, either.

:
:To get to Mars (manned) you will need an even bigger rocket than the
:one to take you to the Moon.
:

Oh? And why is that? You can't conceive of anything except 'direct'
flight from Earth's surface in a single package?

Once again your intellectual limitations betray you, A.S.S.

:
:10 - 100 times the cost. Everyone except
:the NASA brass realizes this.
:

Oh? Post your derivation for your numbers above. You don't get to
pull *** out of your ass and claim it's chocolate.

:
:>
:> :
:> :OK stem cells are irrelevant, in themselves, to
:> :artifical life. They are relevant though in terms of which countries
:> :establish themselves as centers of excellence.
:> :
:>
:> Not so much. Once again you've read something superficial and
:> misunderstood it.
:>
:
:It is not superficial.
:

It certainly is.

You will now spin off into a silly tirade about unrelated and untrue
political bilge.

:
:The US is being run by a bunch of Bible Belt
:fundamentalists.
:

Absolute hogwash!

:
:In the Far East there is no conflict between science
:and religion. I think this could be very significant in many ways. Of
:course I am thinking here long term.
:

Note that there is nothing stopping anyone here from doing anything
that's being done anywhere else. As usual, your ignorance and lack of
intellectual capability betrays you.

:
:You still have not explained to me how you can have a space program if
:you believe there is nothing beyong 3KPa.
:

I don't know how I can "believe there is nothing beyond 3KPa" when I
don't even understand what the hell you think you're trying to claim.

Try making some sense, Ian. Convince me you're not just an A.S.S.
resident on some 13 year old's computer...


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"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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