Re: Back to the moon? When?

On 17 Nov, 20:48, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ian Parker <ianpark...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:On 16 Nov, 19:04, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :Why doesn't the US make digital cameras? The answer is that the
:> :Japanese are better at it.
:> :
:>
:> If that's true why are the Japanese 'offshoring' their manufacture to
:> China, Malaysia, and Taiwan? It's all about costs and who currently
:> has market penetration.
:>
:
:Business goes to where it is cheapest.
:

Which is totally at odds with your immediately preceding statement
that the US doesn't make digital cameras because the Japanese are
'better at it'. The US doesn't make digital cameras because the
Japanese could do it CHEAPER.

No it isn't it is still Japanese IPR

You don't get to talk out both sides of your mouth, Ian. Either
things move to CHEAPER places or things move to SUPERIOR places. You
can't have it both ways, choosing whichever one is convenient to your
current claims.

:>
:> And everyone in Europe speaks every language in Europe? I don't think
:> so. They don't speak the same language all over India. They don't
:> speak the same language all over China.
:>
:
:No, they are in fact developing English as a common language.

This is quite an iteresting point. The Kangi script is in fact a
common language. Kangi is used with modifications in Japan, anf Korea
as well as China. The difficulty is in fact that Japanese syntactic
structure is different from Chinese. This is much more in the nature
of a BTW though. The point I am stressing is that the US has not built
up a common understandind with Latin America. Language is a way into
culture.

The US has been myopically anticommunist (also BTW acting on behalf ov
vested interests - Also Halliburton in Iraq) It has not appreciated
the history and aspirations of Latin America. Land reform was (and
still is - an Arabic imperfect) needed to break up the large land
holdings resulting from the Spanish conquest. This is the real issue.

If you cross a border and one side of it there is prosperity, and the
other side poverty one can conclude quite fairly that something aint
working. OK you learn about the history of the US and the history of
Latin America. This explains a bit. A casual glance tells you that
North America does not work, there is this line, there is this
division.

Yes Europe does keep people out. The difference though is that the
people being kept out are not in the EU. The US is promoting NAFTA (I
call it NAFF TA) as a counterweight to the EU. This is the difference.
You cannot run an economic system without mobility of labor.
:

Hogwash! What percentage of the population of China are fluent
English speakers? Have you ever read the directions that come with
some of their products? The words may be English, but they're strung
together in ways that make practically no sense.

This is miossing the point.
:
:You cannot learn every European language.
:

Why not? Then how can the EU exist and you claim it as one of the
structures that will economically 'outclass' the US?

Try!
:
:This is different in America
:where there are only a few languages.
:

What difference does that make to your claims?

Again you are missing the point. Latin America, its culture and
history is on your doorsteop. You need to be able to understand it.
:
:You have missed the main point ...
:

No, you are just stupidly unable to make or support a 'point' other
than the one on the top of your head.

:... and this is a question of understanding
:the world. The US clearly does not understand the Middle East. There
:is a German proverb "Probieren gehy ueber studieren" - proving goes
:above studying. This means that if you have a civil war and ethic
:cleansing, you either don't understand the Middle East, or if you do
:you are a criminal who should stans trial at the Hague.
:

Can you say 'fallacy of the excluded middle'? Probably not, but you
certainly do engage in it a lot.

There are only 2 possibilities and they are distinct. To stand trial
at the Hague or in any criminal court you have to prove "intent". All
that I feel can be PROVED solidly against the US is a total lack opf
reality and failure to understand the Middle East. That does not
amount to intent. If Bush were an Arabist he would have "intent" and
should face at least impeachment and possible trial at the Hague. To
me the difference is clear cut. I don't think there is a fudge
position in the middle.

Of course there is. More so than in Europe, in point of fact. I can
travel thousands of miles with no ID at all. How far can you get
without papers?

:
:Indeed the right wing is taking about building a
:wall along the Mexican Frontier.
:

Not just 'the right wing'. That 'wall' is just to stop the people
without papers. You stop them in Europe, too.

No, the wall will perpetuate and underline the economic divide. The
problem is an economic one not a law enfoecement one.
:
:The right wing talks too about Syria. The border with Iraq is desert,
:the onus is on the US to build a wall.
:

Why? If organized groups of people with weapons were crossing the
border into Canada and shooting Mounties and members of the CF, would
the onus be on CANADA to stop them? I think not. I think in THAT
case the onus would be on us to control the use of OUR territory by
armed people (or we should be prepared for Canada to regard such
things as acts of war).

In point of fact the most dangerous groups are coming from Saudi
Arabia.
:
:The US seems to be baulking at
:the cost of a Mexican wall, yet it expects Syria to build a wall. This
:on top of the refugee crisis that the US has created.
:

And what would Syria do if we declared that border closed and simply
killed anyone close to it? This is why we want THEM to control it.
It's THEIR bloody country.

Iraq is your country, your war. You have made it so.
:


- Ian Parker
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