Re: Is NASA a US "Defence Agency"?

On Nov 18, 1:30 pm, Michael Gallagher <mikejo...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:40:11 -0800 (PST), rhw007 <rhw...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

People seem to forget that King georgie Jr.'s Daddy had ALSO PROMISED
a "Return to the Moon"...he didn't even START the process while he was
in office..no plans...no 'directives'....etc.

Actually, he did. He restarted the National Space Council and put
Vice President Quayle in harge of it. The Space Exploration
Initiative (SEI) did several studies, including First Lunar Outpost.
A page on the can be found here:

http://www.nss.org/settlement/moon/FLO.html

.... although a simple search will probably find more.

Unfortunately, Congress never got past the $500 billion price tag, or
at the very least never grasped the idea that that would be over 30
years. Congress never funded SEI, and Clinton crushed it and
disbanded the space council once he was in office.

So you can't blame "Clinton" for squashing that attempt....because
Daddy George NEVER made an HONEST attempt to set the plan into motion.

Wrong.

The only mission we had to the moon in decades was Clementine and it
had nothing to do with Bush's plan.

If Bush Sr.'s lunar plan was worth anything his son would have
resurrected it. Not be came up with his own farce, err, vision.


Same goes true for King Georgie Jr...He also wants to "Go Back to the
Moon"...he's made some proposals...but where's the money going???

Part of SEI's problem, I think, was that since Bush Sr. didn't have a
second term, the program didn't get a fighting chance to get started
on some hardware. But this time, they are developing the basic
"building blocks," Ares and Orion. NASA publishes updates on this
page:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/main/index.html

Of course the question is, what if Billary or some other Democrat
succeeds Bush?

Given the current Bush's lousy leadership even a GOP hack such as
yourself shouldn't be surprized.

The conventional wisdom seems to be that the Orion
vehicle and the Ares 1 booster will be built, but the rest of the VSE
will be scuttled.

Because like his father's plan it isn't worth the paper that it is
printed on.

Whether or not they still do the Ares V heavy
lifter depends on what they decide to do with Orion. But another
peice of conventional wisdom is they will do SOMETHING with it
because, in theory, no president wants to go down in history as the
one that scrapped the space program.

No, no, that is the mentality Nixon used WRT war (Vietnam). A non-
Texas Repubican could easily be the president that kills the space
program as we now know it. Hell, push real hard for commercial
spaceflight, make probes and other unmanned spacecraft the product of
NSF and NOAA, respectively. And turn the manned stuff over to the
military. Hell, the desocialization of NASA by a GOPer sounds totally
foriegn to you?

Of course, someone could always
come along and prove that wrong ..... <shudder> While it is
encouraging that the following press release ....

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3566

.... says that if elected, Mrs. Clinton will "speed development,
testing, and deployment of next-generation launch and crew exploration
vehicles to replace the aging Space Shuttle," this is Billary Clinton
we're talking about; actions will not only speak louder than words,
they will be the only thing that mean anything.

And for you to act like the Bushes of have done anything related to
action WRT to returning to the moon means that your partisan blindness
is still unchecked.

What is more important that the space programs get implemented or that
the don't get implemented by Billary (as you put it?).

She might proceed
with Orion, or scrap it and do something else, or repeal that National
Aeronautics and Space Act and say "To heck with conventional wisdom."
We wouldn't know what a Billary adminstration would do until we get
there.

Yep, sort of like Bush and 9/11 and then going into Iraq even though
the culprit is in Afghanistan, etc.


..... There is NO 'Master Plan' to get us back to the Moon and onto Mars
before the other nations get there. Russia, China and India will be
getting there before we do.

Maybe they will. Maybe we will. Maybe there will be a multinational
effort. Maybe I'll sleep with a supermodel tonight. Who knows?

Now you're dreaming.

..... Now who's behind the internet spouting truth?...

Didn't Algore invent it? :)

No, he got the Nobel Prize, tho. Maybe it was partly for creating the
legislation for turning the Internet over to the private sector.

In 2009, Bush will probably do his 1 year lecture circuit and then
have to start jumping out of airplanes to get press coverage like his
old man. At least his old man was smart enough to align himself with
Clinton to get other stuff done as an ex-Prez.
.

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