Mook's affordable space travel can change the world

Mook's affordable H2 or LH2 economy is of course technically doable,
although little is actually new or improved by way of Mook creating
such H2, much less of H2àLH2, and at best it's simply not compact
enough for accommodating most forms of private transportation on any
par with liquid fossil/synfuels and atmosphere, nor without a risk of
creating its own fair share of NOx.

Best Books on Hydrogen Future Possibilities: whereas this topic holds
some of Mook's better arguments.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/8617469292257c46?hl=en&;

Affordable commercial space travel may be at best decades away, and
the Mook H2 helicopter may never fly in commercial service, but
perhaps the suborbital capable SST/Concorde/Skylon might actually
stand a chance if there's ever going to be such a cheap supply of LH2
along with a surplus of other clean energy for the makings of LOx.

Skylon w/reaction thrust via two Sabre hybrid airbreathing/rocket
engines.
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/skylon.htm
"These engines employed liquid hydrogen fuel with atmospheric air up
to Mach 5.5 and on-board liquid oxygen beyond that to orbital
velocities. At take-off the vehicle carried approximately 66 tonnes of
liquid hydrogen and approximately 150 tonnes of liquid oxygen for the
ascent."

http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/skylon_vehicle.html
Length: 82m
Fuselage Diameter: 6.25m
Wingspan: 25m
Unladen Mass: 41,000kg
Fuel Mass: 220,000kg
Maximum Payload Mass: 12,000kg
(I'd give this 6,000 kg or roughly half the Concorde payload)

"The thrust during airbreathing ascent was variable but around 200
tonnes. During rocket ascent this rose to 300 tonnes but was then
throttled down towards the end of the ascent to limit the longitudinal
acceleration to 3.0g."

Apparently it takes at least 5 tonnes of LH2 just for getting Skylon
to fly itself off the tarmac, and by way of burning hydrogen along
with atmosphere is unavoidably leaving a lethal trail of NOx most all
the way (NOx being worse than CO2 for our environment because plants
and most other life on Earth simply can not process NOx).

Shuttle SSME: offers the Mook suborbital LH2 Concorde/Skylon on SSME
steroids, of which might actually work a whole better than Skylon w/
reaction thrusters, especially if using the one compact SSME for
accomplishing that ascent thrust (@400,000 lbs)

Engine mass: 6597 kg. Manufacturer Name: RS-24. (SSME) Designer:
Rocketdyne. Developed: 1972. Propellants: LOx/LH2 Thrust(vacuum):
512,136 lbf (232,301 kgf).

Fully terrestrial SST Concorde
http://www.concordesst.com/techspec.html
SST Concorde Rolls-Royce Olympus Engine thrust of 38,050 lb (x4),
provides<10,000 lb each (40,000 lbs) at supersonic cruising for
accommodating 100 passengers +9 crew.

Ideal fuel burn @47 lbs/mile and 1250 mph = 58,750 lbs/hr (26,649 kg/
hr)

Minimum fuel consumption at 7.4 kg/s. (fuel load: 95,680 kg = 12,930
sec or 3.6 hours [maximum] not including anything such as takeoff,
getting to their cruising altitude, of landing or tarmac standby w/
auxiliary APU, as in allowing for nothing but just the best possible
cruise mode), with limited fuel reserves should allow for a maximum
takeoff to landing of 3.5 hours flight time, possibly <3.75 hrs if
having spent zero tarmac standby time and then mostly subsonic gliding
in on near empty from 60,000' for accomplishing their minimum fuel
consumption mode of a twin-engine landing, thereby leaving just barely
enough tarmacàgate maneuvering fuel unless having headwinds to deal
with, in which case their supposedly fuel efficient per passenger mile
SST comes in shuttle like dead-stick(sort of speak) and it gets
tractor towed to the gate.

Instead of our continually making lots of spendy CO2 and NOx via
fossil or synfuel and having to consume our badly polluted atmosphere
of mostly N2, whereas Mook's alternative offers us an LH2 method on
behalf of pushing such an SST a whole lot faster and further as simply
a better thrust application for the energy demanding task as well as
best off for our badly failing environment. Of course this SSME
powered SST or Skylon needs to be at least twice if not four times the
aerodynamic volume of the existing Concorde, and 90~95% of that volume
being of its fuel and related infrastructure, as well as no matters
what lord all-knowing Mook never agrees with anyone, pretty much
insuring that nothing of any energy related consumer merit will ever
come of anything associated with the all-or-nothing Mook mindset of
his H2 global economy, even though I fully agree with the makings of
such liquid fuel from the vast amounts of renewable solar energy is
technically doable and can become better off in most every way for our
badly failing environment.

Shuttle GLOW Mass (incl. ET and SRBs): 2,029,203 kg (4,474,574 lb)
Shuttle 3XSSME Thrust: 1,181,400 lbf combined total, sea level liftoff
(5.25 MN)
· Shuttle empty weight: 151,205 lb (68,585 kg)
· Gross Liftoff Weight: 240,000 lb (109,000 kg)

Once again; those main engines of three Rocketdyne Block IIA SSMEs,
each with a sea level thrust of 393,800 lbf (174,089 kgf) that only
get better at altitude, seems like such a waste of extremely good and
proven as reliable technology, whereas to never apply such on behalf
any commercial transport seems worse than pathetic.

Mook's version of a suborbital SST for his rich and powerful friends
will likely need to incorporate at least one SSME instead of those
complex air breathing engines, plus having at least one such
conventional subsonic air breathing engine as his tarmac APU, landing
thrust assist and surface maneuvering engine. Most of the extended
and expanded composite aerodynamic frame will have to be capable of
safely storing vast amounts of his LH2 plus either a sufficient cache
of LOx or that of a hauling along a supersonic rated APU for making
our mostly N2 atmosphere into LOx. Of course, most all of this
spendier than Skylon R&D and on behalf of creating his initial fleet
will have to be paid with public loot, especially since Mook's claim
that his solar made LH2 is going to become so vast and gosh darn dirt
cheap that his profits will not likely ever become sufficient to pay
for much of anything (poor Mook probably couldn't afford a ticket
onboard his own suborbital SST).

I'm not nearly as all-knowing or as pro big-energy and forever bigger
government brown-nose qualified as lord Mook, but I'd have to rethink
that perhaps China is already doing us one better with their version
of CATS, plus showing us their intentions of processing all sorts of
nifty and valuable stuff out of our extremely nearby moon seems to
represent the best kind of technology applied future, of where the
vast bulk of such imported energy is going to happen in spite of
whatever the terrestrial limited likes of Mook or that of our NASA
thinks is best.

Unlike the usual Usenet gauntlet of all-knowing naysayers, I have
never excluded the makings and use of hydrogen from clean and
renewable energy, though having pointed out that a liquid form of H2
and O2 as formulated in h2o2(hydrogen peroxide) offers a good deal of
stored energy density without some of the LH2+atmosphere or LOx
drawbacks, and h2o2+synfuel or even along with plain old fossil fuel
offers minimal CO2 and essentially a zero NOx end result (even the
cooler thrust/exhaust is less likely to create atmospheric NOx).

Perhaps these Usenet MI5/CIA spooks and moles need to rethink upon
their Third Reich infowar tactics of having to continually spew such
infomercial crapolla, especially since not all the rest of us village
idiots are as snookered or as dumbfounded past the point of no return
as they'd like to think. Spook Mook might even have to get a for-real
job and pay taxes like the rest of us, and learn to speak fluent
Mandarin Chinese.

- Brad Guth
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