Re: Barack Obama Publishes His Space Policy

jacob navia <jacob@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> jacob navia <jacob@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :
:> :But even if it is possible to send humans to the moon, progress in
:> :robotics and computers make such a trip unnecessary since we can
:> :travel around in the moon using robots much cheaper than going
:> :in person.
:> :
:>
:> And if you want to send toasters to space rather than people, that's
:> the perfect position.
:>
:> Now remove your agenda and try again.
:>
:> :
:> :Humans can't survive in the moon for longer periods (3-4 weeks or
:> :more) if they have no radiation shielding. BEFORE humans go to
:> :the moon they need to build the moon station using robots, THEN,
:> :longer trips to the moon are possible.
:> :
:>
:> Silly. Even if your 3-4 week claim is right, there's a whole
:> Moon-load of rock and such there. Ever heard of 'craters' and
:> 'caves'?
:>
:
:Obviously you just go into a moon cave and make a good fire,
:you hunt around for food, and live from the land...
:

Obviously you're a major dumbass who can't actually discuss issues
reasonably and so have to engage in stupid *** like the preceding...

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:Look man, can you think a bit seriously?
:

I can, but you obviously can't.

:
:Even if you find a good cave (you have to FIND it first using
:robots), ...
:

Because obviously all of mankind is struck blind until robots can go
and do that job.

:
:... you have to construct a whole environment for humans
:in that place:
:

And this is not hard to do if you actually jettison your ideology and
engage your brain.

:
:o air-tight so that humans can breathe.
:

Kevlar inflatable.

:
:o with enough water and food so that humans can live for a
: while
:

Robots don't help with this. You're going to have to bring it with
you and recycle a lot.

:
:o With enough "amenities" so that they do not go crazy:
: showers, waste disposal, communications, fuel, solar
: panels, and a big ETC!
:

And the robots don't help with all that, either. Again, you have to
bring it with you initially.

:
:All that must be there BEFORE the humans arrive. Or you
:are seriously considering sending astronauts with shovels
:to the moon?
:

And once again your lack of intellectual integrity rears its ugly
head.

:
:How they could survive when constructing
:the moon base if there is no moon base yet?
:
:It is obvious that sending construction workers to the
:moon in temporary habitats carried at great expense from
:earth is so silly nobody is seriously considering that.
:

That's right, nobody is, so why are you raising it as if someone is?

:
:NASA, by the way, is not even considering a moon base
:at all.
:

Really? From a lack of intellectual integrity to outright lying in
one swell 'foop'.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/061204_lunar-base.htm

:
:>
:> :
:> :Radio delay to the moon is just 1 second, short enough to make
:> :very easy driving a robot there.
:> :
:>
:> Not so much, no. Try walking across the room and examining objects
:> doing a 'step-look' sequence of a second for each one. See how long
:> just exploring the room takes.
:>
:
:You get used to it in 1-2 hours practice.
:

It's not a matter of 'getting used to it'. It's a matter of 'you have
to move really slow because *** happens in much less than a second
and you can miss a lot otherwise'.

:
:>
:> :
:> :My point is: robotic missions allows us to explore NOW, and
:> :develop the technology to enable the trips to space by humans
:> :LATER.
:> :
:>
:> But what are we exploring for if people aren't going? Exploring can
:> wait in that case and we can kill planetary science for the
:> foreseeable future.
:
:You are not interested in knowledge or science.
:

You are a lying git.

:
:You just want to send people there, ...
:

Quite right, I do. If that's not the plan, why learn about the place?

:
:... and there is a lot of profit
:to be made (not by you of course) in doing that, that is
:why sending humans is proposed by certain people.
:

And your profit motive is what, precisely?

Sauce for the goose and all that, after all...

:
:Personally, I do not give a dam about some guys jumping around
:in the moon. I am interested in exploration and science.
:

Well, no, you aren't. You're against people going (exploration).

:
:I know, that is very old fashioned and not so "gee-whiz".
:But, as said, I do not care about people getting disappointed.
:

You know, they used to say "no bucks, no Buck Rogers". Each new
generation of idiots like you needs to learn that the converse also
applies - "No Buck Rogers, no bucks."

I hope you're very, very wealthy and can fund what you want on your
own, because if people aren't going you're going to find getting tax
money to do it is pretty much a non-starter.

Learn some history...


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your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
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