Re: Space travel by humans is not possible now

jacob navia <jacob@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> jacob navia <jacob@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :No explanation where the power for maintaining such a huge temperature
:> :difference will come.
:> :
:>
:> Because it's not a bloody problem. Insulation plus nuclear or stored
:> solar or fuel cells or...
:>
:
:Nuclear? Nothing less than a nuclear reactor in Mars.
:"Stored solar or fuel" cells ?
:
:Solar cells do not provide enough energy for maintaining a
:temperature delta of more than 100 Centigrade in Mars.
:

Hogwash.

:
:Mars is much further away from the sun than earth.
:

Well, doh! This is the height of intellect for you, I assume?

:
:"Stored fuel cells" do not last for a year of continuous
:use.
:

Nobody said anything about "stored fuel cells". You don't read very
well, do you?

:
:These are fact but... who cares about facts?
:

Obviously you do not, since your 'facts' are not.

:
:>
:> Again, as has been explained to you over and over and over again, this
:> is *NOT*, repeat ****NOT****, the insurmountable barrier your lunacy
:> keeps putting it forward as.
:>
:
:Magic McCall will save the day then.
:

And Naysayer Navia will be bleating about how it simply cannot be done
years and years after it has been.

:
:>
:> :
:> :>
:> :> Again, not a big deal. Hell, you don't even need 'fuel'. Ever heard
:> :> of nuclear power?
:> :
:> :This is a typical "McCall argument". Just throw some keyword without
:> :even bothering to think about the consequences!
:> :
:> :A nuclear reactor is of course a very lightweight technology, you put
:> :one in your spacesuit and there you go...
:> :
:>
:> Strawman. Who said anything about a spacesuit? We were talking about
:> a VEHICLE.
:>
:> :
:> :The problems associated with building a nuclear reactor in Mars,
:> :maintaining it there etc, are just "engineering problems"
:> :as he would say.
:> :
:> :It is almost comic.
:> :
:>
:> It sure is. Did 'build it on Earth and take it with you' not occur to
:> you?
:>
:
:Yeah. Just like that. We build a nuclear reactor on
:Earth, then we build a rocket of a size good enough
:to put a NUCLEAR REACTOR in Mars, then we fire it,
:well insulated in a huge spaceship (like the one
:Buck Rogers hat) and that is it. Problem solved!
:

Gibber ... gibber ... gibber ...

Try saying something sensible.

:
:> :
:> :> I guess a rover can't work, either, given all that
:> :> fuel they must carry. And yet they rove.
:> :>
:> :
:> :Using solar energy. This will not work (as I stated in a previous
:> :message) for such huge requirements like life+support. The sun
:> :doesn't give enough energy for powering all that.
:> :
:> :And he continues, without ever advancing any argument.
:> :
:>
:> Who said anything about that? I merely pointed out the obvious (to
:> everyone but you): that 'moving' doesn't required a million pounds of
:> fuel.
:>
:
:Not a million, no, but surely you will need a lot of fuel to
:carry your life support around. You need to avoid freezing
:to death in the night, so you need a system that maintains
:70 Centigrade delta in the day, and 120 Centigrade delta
:in the night. To carry around all the oxygen/atmosphere
:recycling support, food, water, etc.
:

Is just not nearly as difficult as you make it out to be.

:
:>
:> I note you offer no cite, no support, and engage in artful editing
:> into the bargain. You make claims with no support that make no sense
:> and then demand people act as if you've put forward serious arguments.
:>
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:http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040124/SPACE/TPHealth
:Mars mission faces a hurdle: Astronauts may arrive paralyzed
:By IAN POPPLE UPDATED AT 6:11 AM EDT Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004
:

Not interested in paying $5 just to see what stupid assumption Mr
Popple makes.

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:Surviving Space: Risks to Humans on the Moon and Mars
:By Robert Roy Britt Senior Science Writer posted: 06:00 am ET 20 January
:2004
:http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_dangers_040120.html

Seems to foolishly assume that nothing will be done to deal with or
manage the 'risks'.

:--------------------------------------------------------------------------
:Cosmic rays may prevent long-haul space travel
:15:01 01 August 2005 NewScientist.com news service Rob Edwards
: http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=dn7753

Grossly overestimates radiation exposure and then assumes nothing will
be done to deal with or manage it. Even then it only gets to 'cancers
late in life'.

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:National Research Council report:
:Safe on Mars
:http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1432&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

"Unless provisions can be made to counter the microgravity environment
(by means of exercise protocols or by inducing artificial gravity) and
harsh radiation conditions in space, the potential negative effects on
health of the longer transit time (short-stay mission) may be
prohibitive."

So take provisions.

:------------------------------------------------------------------------
:Potential cause of rapid kidney stone formation in astronauts on space
:travels
:News-Medical.Net Posted By: News-Medical in Medical Study News
:Published: Monday, 14-Feb-2005
:http://www.news-medical.net/?id=7745

"Hopefully, eradication or treatment of these diseases will be
possible in the near future. We need more research and support to
solve this puzzle, but we feel that we are close," adds Ciftcioglu.

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