Re: Opening the High Frontier of Space

Ian Parker <ianparker2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:On 23 Feb, 23:02, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> Ian Parker <ianpark...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>
:> :On 22 Feb, 14:18, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :> Ian Parker <ianpark...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> :On 17 Feb, 15:24, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :> :> Ian Parker <ianpark...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :> :>
:> :> :> :
:> :> :> :If asteroids became an economic source of
:> :> :> :platinoids to take an example, there would be no question about
:> :> :> :political cuts. The whole thing would be self sustaining with pure
:> :> :> :capitalism.
:> :> :> :
:> :> :>
:> :> :> Nothing like a tautological statement.  What's funny is that he
:> :> :> doesn't even realize he's doing it.
:> :> :>
:> :> :> If cows could fly, we'd all carry umbrellas when we went outside.
:> :> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :It is indeed tautological, but it is still worth pointing out.
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> Not really, no.  Boiled down to its essence, what you've said is "If I
:> :> find gold in my back yard it's a gold mine".
:> :>
:> :> Meaningless noise.
:> :>
:> :> --
:> :> "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
:> :>  territory."
:> :>                                       --G. Behn
:> :
:> :What I have said is you need Gold, Platinum or something which would
:> :make a profit for private enterprise to be interested.
:> :
:>
:> No, that's not what you said at all.
:>
:> :
:> :You get private
:> :space by demonstrating there is money to be made, not simly by pouring
:> :in massive government subsisies.
:> :
:> :Ceres Platinum might just work. It is at least worth debating. You
:> :need a requirement for Pt. You need electric cars.
:> :
:>
:> Yes, Ceres platinum might just work IF there is platinum and Ceres and
:> IF the price for platinum is enough to make going there, getting it,
:> and bringing it back profitable.
:>
:> In other words, it will be profitable if it is profitable.
:>
:> See what I mean?
:>
:> --
:> "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
:>  territory."
:>                                       --G. Behn
:
:You are right when you say it depends on :-
:
:1) The price of Platinum.
:2) Whether Ceres contains Platinum.
:

It depends on more than that. It depends on whether it is easier to
get more platinum here at any given price point than it is to go to
Ceres to get it (including the development costs of all the new
equipment and techniques that would be required). It depends on
substitution effects. It's not the airy fairy wave of the hands that
so much of your 'logic' seems to be.

:
:On "1" I feel that we have not fully worked out the consequences of a
:"green" world. We have to look at 9 billion people driving electric
:cars.
:

Why? We don't have the entire population of the world (including tiny
babies) driving cars now. Why do you think that will change?

:
:Each fuel cell has a requirement for precious metal. Is there
:enough to go round?
:

Each car in the US CURRENTLY requires said metal for the catalytic
converter.

:
:Now if you have a Capitalist system what is the consequence of not
:being enough to go round - the price goes up.
:

True, perhaps. Or you substitute other things.

<snip irrelevancy>

:
:On "2" does Ceres contain platinum. I think it is fairly clear that it
:does. Whether there is any differentiation of materials or not, I
:don't know. If there is the core will be particularly rich. We do not
:in fact know very much about Ceres. We don't know how it is made up,
:what is needed is a mission to land geophones at various points on the
:surface, and then to deliberately crash a few smart pebbles onto the
:surface. This would give us a map of the interior. There is ice
:present, there is rock present. Is it a layer of ice and a rocky/
:metallic core, or is it a mixture all the way to the centre.
:

That won't tell you enough and it's probably cheaper to find more here
on Earth than develop Ceres.

:
:As I said at first it is Hillary not Barack who is suffering. This
:leads me to the conclusion that no one really cares, it is the economy
:followed by Iraq. No one seems to really care. This of course implies
:that any future ventures must either be low cost or commercial.
:

Space isn't an important enough issue to most folks to sway a vote.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
.

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