Re: Retooling the Vision for Space Exploration
- From: BradGuth <bradguth@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 05:51:53 -0800 (PST)
On Mar 1, 8:15 am, simberg.interglo...@xxxxxxxxx (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:46:16 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Willie.Moo...@xxxxxxxxx made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:
On Feb 29, 9:08 pm, simberg.interglo...@xxxxxxxxx (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:50:42 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Willie.Moo...@xxxxxxxxx made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:
On Feb 29, 11:36 am, simberg.interglo...@xxxxxxxxx (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:12:38 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Willie.Moo...@xxxxxxxxx made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:
Good white Christian soldiers rousted people from their homes for
which they had a deed for, and had organized a government to protect,
that was recognized in documents signed by the Federal government.
This was done in the dead of winter, putting them on a forced march
through a blizzard with laggards being shot, and then those same good
Christians gave smallpox infected blankets to those who made it.
That's a myth.
Got references?
http://www.bradley.edu/las/eng/lotm/TrailofTears/trailparent.htm
http://www.cherokeebyblood.com/trailtears.htm
Without reading the links, is there anything in there about giving
them smallpox-infected blankets?
Actually reading factual stuff is harder than repeating canards? lol.
You're the one repeating canards.
Unless there is a confession of insiders, no secret operation leaves
evidence to indict those who organized it. You know this, hence your
insistence on 'evidence' that you know cannot exist. So, you call it
myth. The evidence however is clear. Having lost about half their
number,due to european diseases for which they were ill prepared, the
native Americans were forced to re-locate into the Westward frontiers
and remain isolated as their numbers declined. When the germ theory
of disease was discovered, do-gooders went West to innoculate native
Americans. Other experts estimated that one half to one third of the
original population of native Americans would ultimately survive. In
response, the US government reversed its decisions related to
isolating native Americans,signed legislation to attract the poor and
destitute to the frontier (at the time they were thought to be
harbingers of disease) and trade goods that were innocuoous for
generations (people in European style settlements - in close proximity
with poor public hygiene transmit disease) - turned strangely toxic.
That's what I was referring to.
In other words, you can't substantiate your claim that there was a
deliberate policy to give infected blankets to the Indians.
Yeah, I know, and I know that the 'myth' as you call it was the result
of a secret operation - and that such operations leave no evidence you
would not call myth. Obviously the statistics speak for themselves.
This is loonytune land.
That isn't the soul of Christian kindness. It was done in the name
of racial purity.
What's your point? I never said anything about Christian kindness.
By implication you did - repeating myths of your own about supposed
Indian savagery as if that prove their culture had nothing of
substance to contribute to Americna culture.
The point wasn't that their culture had nothing to contribute.
That is a prejudice based on ignorance.
I see that you can't read.
My
point was that their culture was bloody,
The lies told by Europeans about native American culture, the lies you
repeat here, seemed bloody.
So tales of Indian torture, of each other, and of others are nothing
but lies and propaganda? There was no human sacrifice in Mexico and
Central America? Before the evil white man came, all was peace and
harmony in the Americas?
and the notion that adopting
it would have somehow precluded wars was lunacy,
No it isn't. The defeat of Switzerland in the Swabian war in the 16th
century led to a situation where there was a national decision to not
engage in warfare ever again. In that age, because of that defeat
Switzerland enunciated a vision for itself that did not involve
warfare. Defense yes. Warfare no. It has lived in peace ever since
- despite wars throughout the Swiss Empire prior to that time.
By the same token, defeat at the hands of the Europeans, the Europeans
being white, and the White Maiden/White Buffalo as the bringer of
mystical power, and the corruption of those warriors who looked upon
the White Maiden with lust, combined with the pandemics caused by
European diseases in native American communities - all led to a
similar sort of insight in native American culture. Despite the
breast beating of wannabe American heroes, native Americans pretty
much did what they were told. This too was used to indict them. When
they stood up for themselves and their culture, they savages. When
they did what they were told, they were worthless ignorant excuses for
men. When they explained their reasoning, they were supertitious
primitives.
Had American culture embraced native American culture and saw the
value in it, and in the people - as some intellectuals of the time did
- our culture would be quite different indeed. Just as Switzerlands
history is quite different than that of the rest of Europe.
absent any actual
arguments as to why it would have done so.
Well, I've given you the facts above.
You've given me a lot of what you believe to be facts. We are still
awaiting something resembling an actual argument to support your claim
that had we adopted native cultures we would have avoided the Civil
War.
If you want to see cultures that
have done that, you have to look south of the border.
You're a racist fool.
If you believe that a culture is a race, then you're the fool.
You see the word Spanish and you think it has
some racial connotation.
No, I don't.
US culture is
largely Anglo Saxon.
The Peterborough Chronicle contains information about the history of
England after the Norman Conquest.
it relates the events of The Anarchy in England. It is a highly
moving account of torture, fear, confusion, and starvation.
Of course it was. I never claimed that England didn't have a bloody
history, so once again, you toss in a non-sequitur.
<snip rest of irrelevant lunacy that I don't even have time to read
carefully>
Wars are artificially created for profits, and for the takings of
whatever belongs to someone other. Slavery had darn little if
anything to do with our civil war, but is was certainly a good enough
ruse. Look to a given faith-based analogy if you want to learn the
truth, of who is in charge and of who isn't.
You just can't stand it when others agree with your analogy, any more
so than you can't stand it whenever folks don't agree with your
analogy. In other words, it doesn't matter if one agrees or not,
because you're never a happy camper under any circumstances.
I'd have to go along with the "informational associativity" / by
Wallace Wright, as an analogy or notion of what most of these pretend
atheists of Usenet nayism continually impose, as their swarm mindset
of infomercial spewed science, that's usually on behalf of sustaining
their mainstream status quo at all cost, and without so much as any
speck of remorse or regard for whatever collateral consequences seems
perfectly par for their course of actions taken, whereas their means
always justifies their actions, or vise versa, and where the past no
longer counts as long as it can't ever be revised in order to reflect
the actual truth.
As an example of others sharing the whole truth and nothing but the
truth:
SECRETS of the TEMPLE / by William Greider (an oldy but goody as of
1989)
This informative book tells a not so little story about our Federal
Reserve, and of the era when the nearly intolerable "oil shock" gouge
per gallon was only $1.25, and that's only when and if even
available. Energy inflation has never been quit the same ever since
that Federal Reserve orchestrated fiasco took place. So, our
William.Moo (aka William Mook) is correct, in that secret groups of
individuals do in fact control most everything that counts, allowing
those of us servitude minions to go about our business unaware of the
cloak and dagger methods in charge of who gets what and of who doesn't
get squat, such as access to nearly unlimited loot at 2% annual
interest doesn't go out to just anyone as having a viable plan of
action.
Even the very best of educated Americans live a warm and fuzzy life of
illusions, such as having to accept that our "Federal Reserve" as
actually having nothing whatsoever to do with anything federal, and
therefore by rights should be renamed as our entirely Private Reserve
Banking Cartel. According to the whole truth and nothing but the
truth about this "Private Reserve Bank" cartel that's cloaked and
otherwise highly benefited as our "Federal Reserve", whereas they
alone determine whatever shall exceed or fail, be it government or
private. And to think if Hitler were alive he'd be very much grinning
from ear to ear, much like that Cheshire Cat from Alice In Wonderland,
as well as pleasing to most every other Zionist mindset that's on the
exact same global domination page as Hitler or of whatever replacement
warlord comes along.
You can't hardly retool squat if everything that's in need of being
made new and improved has to remain as forever based entirely upon
sustaining the hocus-pocus past of intellectual illusions, and
otherwise of accepting official hype and disinformation that's
intended to primarily benefit the pretend-atheist rich and powerful
(including the NASA/Apollo O-Ring cult). However, it seems not even
the all-knowing expertise of our Willie.Moo can manage to save us from
ourselves, because what's done is done and forever such history can't
be revised to reflect the truth. JFK and a few others found that out
the hard way.
.. - Brad Guth
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