Re: sci space policy targeted by disinformation experts?

On Mar 29, 9:18 am, Willie.Moo...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
: I don't fault the USA for keeping some things private at
: this time. The world is a dangerous place, and some things
: need to be kept private. However, over-reliance on

That would be nice. However, nothing "visible" to public
eyes will ever be able to operate in complete secrecy,
and IMO, if considered in another nations best interests,
will immediately render anything of interest that is
"locatable", the ongoing subject of intense scrutiny.

: secrecy can cause its own troubles. Disinformation isn't
: the huge problem some make it out to be. It is merely a
: factor in controlling important information. No amount of
: disinformation can stem the tide of a sea change in con-

Eventually, the applied science of physical systems will
prevail in uncovering enough small truths about something
to make the larger picture come in to focus for all to see.
Yet one impression I'm getting is that perhaps, the most
"advanced" of us is only "rediscovering" some very small
microcosm of a much larger plan, happening right here on
earth, in front of the whole universe.

: ditions. In the 1950s whites in America had huge errors
: in their judgments about blacks. The consensual reality

"Retroactively", yes, but "realistically", it was probably
meant to be that at some point in time, a greater sense of
self-respect came with the awareness of their own achieve-
ments, i.e., astronomer Benjamin Banneker, who developed
the first striking clock in America, agricultural chemist
George Washington Carver developed applications for the
peanut, Daniel Hale Williams performed the first success-
ful open heart surgery (1856 - 1931), Percy L. Julian, who
developed cortizone (1899-1975), Dr. Charles Richard Drew
(1904-1950) set up the first blood bank, and Emmett
Chappelle (1925-) for a method that instantly detects
bacteria in water. Along with these scientists there are
a host of inventors worth mentioning: Thomas L. Jennings
(1791-1859), dry cleaning process, Norbert Rillieux
(1806-1894), evaporation technique for sugar, Benjamin
Bradley (1830-?), steam engine for a warship, Elijah
McCoy (1844-1929), lubricator for steam engines, Lewis
Howard Latimer (1848-1929), electric lamp and carbon
filament for light bulbs, Granville T. Woods (1856-1910)
telegraph for train communications, Madame C.J. Walker
(1867-1919), hair care system, Garrett Augustus Morgan
(1877-1963), automatic traffic signals, Frederick McKinley
Jones (1892-1961), refrigeration system for trucks,
David Crosthwait, Jr. (1898-1976), HVAC patents, Patricia
Bath (1942-), Laser probe for cataracts, and Mark Dean
(1957-), the ISA bus for intercomponent computer commun-
ications. There should be absolutely no doubt that Martin
Luther King was in the right place at the right time.

: in America was diametrically opposed to the reality of race.

IMO, any contribution or invention that helps ALL of
humanity deserves recognition. Unfortunately, we cannot say
this about those who are good at giving "hate" speeches.
It is mostly ignorant reactionaries who get stirred up by
these kinds of things.

: Much evil was done in the name of race. Yet despite the

As soon as you mention the word "evil", the "invisible"
becomes "visible", "located", and "marked" for observation,
and this is what bad media is all about - but it would seem
that more people these days are interested by another's
"dirty games" thn they are true scientific ingenuity.
Let's face it to THEM, ingenuity is BORING.

: beliefs of the majority, Martin Luther King prevailed.

When the people rallied behind their leader, it didn't
matter anymore who in Washington "thought" that ONLY
THEY were in charge. The loudest outcry was the loudest
voice in America at that time.

: The errors and faleshoods accepted as fact about race in
: America in the 1950s, could not withstand the reality.

It is quite true that the curse over forever banning the
black person from the so-called "society" of the white
man was broken, in at least the environment surrounding their
social sector, e.g. city of Atlanta and elsewhere.

: Reality one out. No matter how hard fought the case for
: the lies. I cannot imagin any disinformation campaign
: being as effective in spreading lies about anything as
: the lies about race in the 1950s. Yet, those lies could

Race relations gained a foothold in the national media
so-much-so that the entire nation could have become
embroiled in racial controversy. As the reporting on these
cases grew, I'm sure there were the situational ethics
of what events would have demanded more attention,
simply because there was potential that certain events
could have become more "forceful" as time went on.

: not withstand the reality of the value and contributions
: of all races. So, I'm not overly concerned about disin-
: foromation, as long as we have some freedom to think and
: act as free men and women.

"Disinformation" today, IMO, mostly concerns the bad
reception that new or revolutionary ideas receive from
mainstream media. There was a time that one might appear
as a "snake oil salesman" to the townspeople unless the
product showed some benefit to their livelihoods - today
many ideas are too fantastic to be ignored, but some
posse comitatus will be out to prevent it from being
too "widespread". This retrogrades the effort and intelli-
gence of the inventor, and, in the long run, turns him
back into a "snake oil salesman".

: I am mostly concerned about the false sense of security
: secrets give those who create them. While great nations

IMO, that is probably because the "secret" has either been
"stolen" for some other purpose than its true intent, as
Einstein once recalled about his involvement with the
nuclear bomb: "I made one great mistake in my life... when
I signed the letter to President Roosevelt recommending
that atom bombs be made; but there was some justification
- the danger that the Germans would make them."

In this case a war HAD TO precede the use of atomic energy
for peaceful means. Would that be the same for a device
that creates free energy if the free energy could be used
to create an explosive device of cosmic proportion?
(The answer IMO, HAS TO BE, in terms of the survival of
the human species, an unequivocal NO)

: do have great secrets to keep, too much reliance on secrecy
: limits the effort you can apply to important secrets, while
: protecting all the lesser secrets. Further, what was im-

Is it just a man's design after all? (Then it will fail).
The "earth man" cannot be trusted with the future of his
own species, and that is not to say that some other, more
advanced species is at "our own steering wheel" trying to
lead us away from our own self-destruction.

: portant to keep private in one era, may be best shouted
: from the rooftops in another. Who makes this decision?

The better spirit, the brightest mind, and the richest "king"
are the most capable. It's the follow-up of responsibility
that's the problem here.

: How is it to be made? This all requires deep strategic
: analysis, that is capable of making massive changes in policy.

No doubt that we're drawing territorial lines in the sand
here, and I wonder how some differently assorted "parts of
the whole secret" get distributed according to how the
"resources" get accessed.

: This likely doesn't get done in military circles, and the
: analysis cannot be done by temporary holders of offices like
: elected officials - who are given partial mission specific
: information in the context of a crisis. At root secrets are

The more people have access to the descriptions of the many
paths that a secret project can take during its start-up,
the more chances can occur for some "foul-up" can occur,
whether it's artificially induced by a third party (so that
the idea can be "confiscated" and patented somewhere else,
with a slightly different application), or that the resources
are suddenly made "too expensive to afford" for the project
to be a success on its own. In either case here, there are
market forces at work that may be trying to suppress the
implementation of anything that attempts to "replace"
an existing technology.

: the anathema of a free society, and once the classification
: bandwagon gets started, its awfully hard to stop until the
: whole thing comes crashing down. This is the common mode
: failure where the defenders of liberty destroy liberty in
: their zeal using the wrong instruments to achieve their goal
: - and looking at the defenders themselves is the least
: likely failure mode to be seriously examined by
: those defenders.

Interesting how an idea might revolutionize the needs of
a community, or even region of communities, but when the
growth of a new idea reaches its "saturation" point, is
when the "versatility" of the product has become minimilized.
IMO, part of the profits made on a new idea should go back
into the R&D, for either further refining, or exploring
a newer market niche that can "blow away" the competition.
I would imagine that there are probably some trade secrets
between industries that help to keep the whole group
involved in a monopoly. Such tactics, I suspect, is probably
the case with most of our energy industries today.

: Unlike some here I do not believe humanity is threatened by
: the United States and its policies. Rather, the United
: States threatens its own ability to lead by not taking the
: needs of the emerging global community seriously, and
: seriously develop approaches to leadership appropriate
: for the day and age it finds tself.

IMO, the "emerging global community" SHOULD HAVE THE
ABILITY to take care of most of its own needs, just as soon
as they are able to learn how to build an infrastructure
for themselves, and not always under the jurisdiction of
some international presence. This is what must happen in
Iraq, albeit the presence of terrorists are hindering Iraq's
own chances for a fair and equitable governing body from
taking the reins from the radical Islamo-fascists, who
want total control under another would-be despotic leader.

: Much of our policies were created in the post world war
: two era yeilding cold war strategies that had their desired
: effects. These policies appropriate 60 years ago, are

Yet just now we're witnessing McCain, who this past March 27,
indicated that he wants Russia "thrown out" of the G-8 for
being "too belligerent". (Sounds like fightin' words, huh?)
- Yet maybe this is what the transnationalists would like -
another "cold war" at the expense of its taxpaying citizens.
(Uh-huh, been there, done that already, now what?) Well, we
can leave it up to McCain to help in finding all the future
prospects open for keeping our Pentagon, et al. gainfully
employed, right?

: inappropriate today, and the policies themselves are crea-
: ting the major challenges facing our nation today. This is
: my only beef with them. They don't work and they no longer
: serve the nation. So, they should be scrapped and new
: policies instituted more appropriate to our knowledge and
: situation today.

At whose expense? Why should they lose all those taxpayer
dollars if threats need to be jinned up in order to keep
their enterprises afloat? Besides, they're great learning
experiences that the rest of the economy just can't produce
massively enough and effectively enough for the whole
country to "rush into" wholeheartedly, and I'm at a loss
to figure out how it might be done otherwise. Most people
are in it for the training, the experience, and the G.I.
Bill, don't you think? I think the key word here is
"incentive". There's simply not enough "incentive" to
do anything that's not related to "helping others" than
by "protecting them", and this pathology becomes validated
generally by a few thousand casualties every now and then,
making the conflict very "real" in the sense that something
very drastic has to be accomplished, in order to protect
the 350 million or so "back home".

However, Americans gave creedence to this war when the
decision was made to go into Iraq in order to "find" the
terrorists who were responsible for the entire source of
"terrorist activity" OVER THE WHOLE GLOBE than for just
the west. Let's face it, Al Queda's target is democracy
in general, and where that democracy is the strongest
is in America. Therefore, Al Queda is at war with America.

Maybe all this is being done in order to focus the
entire world's consciousness on Israel. Maybe that is the
key where the "end game" begins to unfold. (One would
hope not). If this is true, then this is actually a war
between the forces of light and the forces of darkness.
(We already know who the victor is there).

: I've given this a little thought and I believe it is time
: for the USA to scrap its war footing and like Switzerland
: 500 years ago, unilaterally end warfare and intelligence
: operations as a means of executing national policy and
: interest. Military and intelligence should be used only

But this would mean that Switzerland got to the desired
peace before the rest of the world did, mainly because
not everybody got a chance to jet-ski over to their auto-
matic teller machine, with the same enthusiasm the the
Alpiners had, because of (1) lack of snow, (2) lack of
mountain ranges to ski in, or (3) lack of yodelers,
that the whole world wished they could have also,
and would now have to "wait in line" for a ticket to
the "Swiss world" of whatever heaven on earth for them,
at least, seems to portray.

One could hope all they want, and even if these facts are
not true, they are probably metaphors of something that
is happening very locally; almost to the point of giving
real creedence to their folk tales of antiquity: "Tales
of a Swiss Grandmother", "The Singing Fir Tree", or
even "The Gingerbread Boy".

I'm sorry, but I liked Dorothy in "The Wizard of Oz"
the best here, but that's not even one of the choices.

: defense of the homeland. The USA should also normalize
: banking and trade policies that artificially favor it,
: and begin to re-develop its manufacturing, mining, and
: farming sectors. The USA should also stabilize its cur-

By "artificially" aren't you tooling with "most favored
nation" status, so that we get to eat all the food that
might not be grown here as a "possible" condition for
normalization? If that's the case, I'd prefer naturally
"canned" over "organically" grown here in the U.S.,
simply because organic's more "faddish" these days than
it is "useful".

: rency and set about to becoming the world's defacto cur-
: rency and banking system. The USA should declassify all
: its classified material over the next 20 years, with a
: special emphasis on licensing missile and nuclear tech-
: nologies to qualified US companies to achieve dominance
: in the energy and space development sectors. Space based

Sounds too good to be true, but by all means, we're sup-
posedly trying that already, at the expense of some very
hard-to-corner, trouble-making tyrants, and at the same
time bleeding the taxpayer dry, trying to deal with things
like the U.N., unilateral foreign policy, and foreign aid.
All of the missle and nuclear technologies here are like
pawns on a giant 3-D chessboard that if removed, open up
a world of possibility for the Russian, Chinese thinktanks.

: assets should be developed giving the USA sound leadership
: in telecommunications, remote sensing, ballistic transport,
: energy, and raw-materials from off-world.

For that to happen we would need to eliminate the compe-
tition worldwide, and with Mexico holding the assets of
the largest telecommunications venture in history (est. $60
Billion, a.k.a. Carlos Slim), we've probably need to deal
with how to internationalize these industries a bit more
by mass producing them instead of bleeding our customers
to death. Remote sensing needs the follow-up of remote
drilling, sifting, spectrographically analysing, storing
and/or rejecting at the expense of our getting there and
back in a BIG way. Could it not be done in the national
interest for the prospect of "spinning off" some of these
technologies as "private market enterprises"? This would
help to establish and secure an off-world presence for
laying the ground work of future missions to the asteroids.

A processing plant on Europa for both H2O production and
transparent aerogel would be well suited for processing
the materials required for the construction of a Re-
Nitrogenating Facility for regolith excavated from a
"dryer" surface of Europa, possibly if a Europan "biosphere"
was in the best interests of those who wished to "stay"
outside of the earth's orbit. The possibilities are
endless, but so are word salads.

American
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