Re: Civilizations

Willie.Mookie@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Apr 13, 5:38 am, jacob navia <ja...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
A polluting

Name one creature that doesn't pollute its environment? There are
none.


Polluting means that it is not recycled. Polluting doesn't mean that waste is produced but that waste is produced that is not possible
to recycle. All beings produce waste, and the waste of all beings
is 100% recycled, if not life couldn't have been here for 4 thousand
million years!

utterly violent

Name one creature that is incapable of violence? Name one creature
that doesn't live by killing some other form of life.


Animal violence is only for eating, and almost never produces
a fatal outcome within the same species.

Human violence is just for fun/religion/whatever. Never for basic
needs.

and primitive society,

Name one non-human society on Earth that is more advanced than humans?


Primitive in the sense of a monkey sense of values, and
a human knowledge.


unable to
master the basic points of survival:

There are 6.6 billion humans on Earth. We are the most successful
species on the planet. We can survive and prosper anywhere in any
environment at any time.


By destroying it. Our society, is based on greed/violence and
all the nice aspects of modern corporate culture.

Luckily for everyone, the party is over. This polluting society
will disappear and humans will have to learn to be human again.

By what stretch of the imagination can you even say humans have not
learned how to survive? sheez.


Because *mankind* isn't born yet!

Human history hasn't even BEGUN. What we have until now is the
story of APES that start becoming humans, and they get almost
there. Human history will BEGIN then, when we build a HUMAN
society and not this animal one.

we are destroying our own
environment at an INCREASING rate!

Only because our numbers are increasing. Our impact on the
environment per person is actually going down.


Yes, our numbers are increasing and our mode of production must
change. We have to stop behaving like animals.

Who are the assholes?

You and the ones who can talk about being cold - figure out that the
skin of the animal they're eating might be adapted to keep them warm -
sing songs in detail about how they could dance around and carry out
that transformation - speak poems about what such a warm second skin
would feel like - and then not do one damned thing to make it
happen.


What do you know what I do moron?

I am a member of Greenpeace since years. I work with them
and with many other people that are changing the way we think
about what does it mean to be fully human.

You can laugh at the ecologists, caricature them, but we
will eventually WIN because the theses that we fight for
are correct!


I will grant that it might be feasible for a highly intelligent
species to exist without building things - either due to llimitations
of environment or physiology.

It is not about stopping building things but building them differently!

The problem with you and your religious certitudes is that you think
we are the best, and that there can't be nothing better than the
primitive society that we live in.

There are many proofs of a better science that disappeared long ago.
Yoga, and acupuncture are one of those proofs.

Nobody knows how acupuncture works exactly, how those "points"
were found millenia ago. Even today, with all our technology it
is impossible for the Chinese (and for any modern scientist for
that matter) to fully understand what is going on at those
points.

Acupuncture and Yoga are the fossilized remains of a
disappeared science.

A science that left us with the technique (that still works of
course) but we lost the SCIENCE that produced that technique.

How could people several thousand years ago discover EXACTLY
the location of those points in our body? How could they
figure out that you should stick a needle in EXACTLY that position?

No trial and error will be useful here. Nobody comes to the
idea of sticking needles in your body just for fun and then
it discovers that there are points in the feet that have an influence
in the head!

A theory must be there that guides the hand to find the points.

[snip]

I still call them assholes.

Yes, it is that what is your "defining point".

Your arrogance.

Unable to imagine, unable to understand,
you think you know everything when in fact you know
nothing and you are nothing. Not even fully human,
like everybody else in your town!



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jacob navia
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