Re: what would make open source space exploration work?

On Apr 14, 7:42 pm, American <samuelran...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 13, 8:45 pm, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Apr 12, 9:13 am, American <samuelran...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 11, 9:31 pm, zfolwick <zfolw...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 10, 12:47 pm, American <samuelran...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 10, 3:26 pm, zfolwick <zfolw...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 10, 7:14 am, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 9, 4:02 pm, zfolwick <zfolw...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I think the biggest problem with an open source space exploration
policy is legistlation and political will. (in America at least)

isn't there a hobbyist limit on the height that you can launch a
rocket? but let's not focus on one technological solution.

are we too legislated for average joes to get into space and start
generating revenue?

Wouldn't you be a tad concerned if Osama bin Laden and his ilk decided
to become "space hobbyists"?

Good point. Staunch science so that one or two nutjobs feel more
powerless.

if that's the general concensus then we truly are in the dark ages.

Go shrivel like the witches that you are and hide in a corner. The
only fear is fear itself, and there's no race here for cowards. Move,
or get out of the way. Let the Bin Ladens of the world have it out
with your kind. While your busy building your security prisons, and
listening to the big dog barking orders in your ear, I'll be sipping
daquiris on the French Riviera - because as far as I'm concerned,
that's what it will take for a national awakening - a mass exodus from
Sparta.

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you scare me. Are you mentally stable?

The problem with "open source" is your definition of "average joes".
Open source means that anyone and everyone has access to the code, if
"they" so desire. Usually, the "they" are the same people that write
the code, because no one else understands the language being used.

"Open source" in this context is not about software per se. It is
about the spirit of free software but as applied to rocketry and
letting any "average Joe" have access to a bootser capable of getting
into orbit. At least THAT is what I understood about this post.

When some outside party comes along and sees that there is a certain
code that is available FREE (because its open source) they can be
tricked into believing that the "code" only does what they wanted when
they got it "on the cheap". The code then becomes the source code
developer's hacker's delight, because some of the subroutines built
into the code (that most people don't read anyway) can be keyloggers,
email loggers, etc., wreaking havok on some unsuspecting party's
private enterprise.

This is not about code! This is about "open source" with respect to
rocketry. Think along the lines of those in Germany during the days of
the V2 and the likes Von Braun and Oberth pre-Operation Paperclip.

I don't trust "open source" anything. Never have. I'll go for tried,
true, and tested for just a few dollars more if I have to.

Then you really don't know computer code and coding. Open source WRT
computer software is a wondeful thing.

There's too many sharks in the water for "open source".

Only Microsoft.

If that's mentally unbalanced, then I'm retarded.

The whole post was about "Open Source" spirit WRT rockets. Sorry you
missed that.

Eric

You change the topic to suit what "KINDER AND GENTLER"
technology would suit the COMPROMISED, not the INNOVATOR!

ANY ORBITAL SYSTEM REQUIRES A RADAR GUIDANCE AND
TRACKING SYSTEM, NOT JUST A LAUNCH PAD!

This includes the $159 million Contour spacecraft that was
hacker hijacked, even in the signal that was supposed to be
coming from the comet-chasing probe, which remained off-course
(ref. Michael Buckley, a spokesman for Johns Hopkins, which
built and managed the spacecraft for NASA).

Reuters:

Houston, Tx. [6.4.98] - A licensed airline pilot posing
as an astronaut bluffed his way into a top-security NASA
facility and got secret information on the space shuttle
during an eight-month deception, federal prosecutors said
Wednesday.

..."Mr. Whittredge was permitted to sit at the console
of NASA Mission Control (NASA's most secure area) at
Marshall Space Flight Center during a shuttle mission,"

CNET news.com:

[4.6.98] TORONTO, Ontario, A 22-year-old Canadian man
suspected of breaking into a NASA Web site and causing
tens of thousands of dollars in damage has been arrested
by Canadian Mounties.

[11.23.99] NASA's Goddard Flight Center international page,
the Bureau of Land Management's National Training Center,
and the Defense Contracts Audit Agency, on Wednesday were
replaced with a page showing a cartoon of a hooded hacker
wearing a peace symbol necklace and a message warning of
Web site security holes. The DCAA was cracked early
Wednesday, followed by BLM and then NASA early Wednesday
afternoon, ytcracker said.

[11.14.2000] PT BOSTON--A Northeastern University student
today was charged with hacking into federal government
computers, including systems at NASA and the Defense
Department, in a coast-to-coast attack on public and
private Web sites and servers, authorities said. ... U.S.
Attorney Donald Stern alleged that Iffih seized control
of a NASA Web server in Maryland last year and was able
to read, delete and alter files, as well as intercept and
save login names. Using the NASA computer as a platform,
Iffih allegedly attacked the Interior Department's Web
server, (and) defacing the agency's Web page...

The Pentagon is hacked into 250,000 times a year. About
500 of these intrusions are deemed serious. It easy to MASK
the true identify of the hackers whom are seeking infor-
mation on our government...

U.S. Defense and Intelligence agencies are cyber-hacked at
least 800 times a day...

[3.24.2000] ... hacking into computers used by University of
California at Berkeley, national laboratories, federal de-
partments, air force bases across the country and a NASA
flight center...

Heard of open source crack?

root@0[john-1.6.37]# cat pass.txt
user:AZl.zWwxIh15Q
root@0[john-1.6.37]# john -w:password.lst pass.txt
Loaded 1 password hash (Traditional DES [24/32 4K])
example (user)
guesses: 1 time: 0:00:00:00 100% c/s: 752 trying: 12345 - pookie

This stuff is ALL OPEN SOURCE!!

PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb ; export PATH
if test -f 'BUGS' -a "${1}" != "-c" ; then
echo shar: Will not clobber existing file \"'BUGS'\"
else
echo shar: Extracting \"'BUGS'\" \(1410 characters\)
sed "s/^X//" >'BUGS' <<'END_OF_FILE'
END_OF_FILE
if test 1410 -ne `wc -c <'BUGS'`; then
echo shar: \"'BUGS'\" unpacked with wrong size!
fi
# end of 'BUGS'
fi
if test -f 'Crack.sh' -a "${1}" != "-c" ; then
echo shar: Will not clobber existing file \"'Crack.sh'\"
else
echo shar: Extracting \"'Crack.sh'\" \(3359 characters\)
sed "s/^X//" >'Crack.sh' <<'END_OF_FILE'

ref.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.security/msg/015300944977e733

Clearly "open source" space initiatives are no exception
for driving a cheaper earth-to-orbit technology. Like I said,
there's too many "sharks in the water" for any of this
technology to achieve permanent standing without having the
"open source" being practiced securely, and in private.

American


HITBSecConf2008 Dubai, Deep Knowledge Security Conf.,
Posted by L33tdawg on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 08:36 PM
tty0 hacked eight NASA servers on the 29th to express his
concern about the proposed laws that are trying to elevate
'hackers' to the level of terrorist. He posted the following
commentary on the eight NASA servers.... "Well, We're back,
but something was happen to U.S.A. and I can tell that none
Hacker does that! I saw in a website about a new laws about
Hacking stuff. You guys wanna Considers hackers like a ter-
rorists and put at jail for the rest of life, I can just
say that is a BULL SHIT You should be worry about real ter-
rorism, the radicals muslims, It is the problem they don't
use Computers but can take a airplane and crash killing a
lot of innocent people, so don't blame the Hackers or the
scripts kiddies and yes, you must finish the bad from the
root, and everybody knows where it is......So take easy and
Think about what hell are you doing, I'm not good in English,
but I do my best :-)

NASA Vulnerabilities Are Potentially Deadly
(M. Hudack) - 135 out of 155 NASA computer systems were
found vulnerable by NSA hackers...

http://www.crime-research.org/news/2003/02/Mess0301.htm:

Hackers deface numerous NASA web servers on day of Space
Shuttle Disaster: On a day of national tragedy, with the
folks at NASA in grief at the lost of the space shuttle
Columbia and the seven astronauts onboard, a hacking group
known as Trippin Smurfs decided to defaced a number of
NASA web servers with a rant about Iraq...

15 Oct 2007 17:51 BST, Tom Espiner, ZDNet.co.uk
Gary McKinnon, the Briton who has admitted hacking into
Nasa's computer systems, has been given leave to appeal
against extradition to the US.

Sentinel Space Editor, R. Block, February 11, 2008
Federal officials Monday arrested a former Boeing engineer
on charges of stealing trade secrets from the space-
shuttle program, Delta IV rocket...

Romanian NASA hacker appears in court, F. Washkuch Jr, SC
magazine, June 28, 2007, ...U.S. authorities have claimed $2
million in damages from the attack, which allegedly took
place between November 2005 and September 2006 and
targeted servers belonging to NASA, the U.S. Navy and the
Department of Energy.

zone-h - citybeat, Tuesday, 12 April 2005:
....RaFa was also alleged to have been the brains behind the
August 2001 theft of secret NASA documents relating to very
important designs for future generation space vehicles.
Rafael was scheduled to appear before a federal Judge in
Miami to determine...

10-25-01, Famous Banker Near Bankruptcy,
http://www.marsmag.com/?p=198, Kim Schmitz, the pro-
grammer credited with hacking NASA, Citibank and The
Pentagon in the 90's, is said to be nearly broke according
to European financial news service Die Teleboerse. Why
is this significant? Schmitz was really one of the most
prominent hackers to ever turn his criminal acts into true
legitimate wealth when he formed Data Protect and then
sold 80% of it for a hefty (read: millionaire) sum. Since
then he's put up website that regularly tracks his millionaire
exploits complete with pictures of expensive cars, women
climbing over him, yachts, jets and of course Schmitz
himself holding the ever-present bottle of champagne.

Friday, 5 May 2006, BBC News:
In 2002, Gary McKinnon was arrested by the UK's national
high-tech crime unit, after being accused of hacking into
Nasa and the US military computer networks. ... He says he
spent two years looking for photographic evidence
of alien spacecraft and advanced power technology.

April 09 2007, IT workers back 'Nasa hacker' McKinnon
Fewer than half of IT professionals questioned in an
online survey want 'Nasa hacker' Gary McKinnon jailed
for hacking. ... A poll carried out by security company
Sophos found that 48 per cent feel that jail is the most
appropriate sentence if McKinnon is found guilty, while
42 per cent suggested community service and 10 per
cent a fine.

Hackers leak NASA directory
Posted by Freaky on 08 Jul 2005 - 22:12 Hackers leak
NASA directory, anonymous coward submits: Hackers have
released the phone, email, and address directory for
NASA online. The directory contains over 1000 associates,
affiliates, engineeers, scientists, and friends of NASA.
NASA has yet to comment on the situation. The directory
was released by SheepByte of the hacker zine 'TIZ'.

Quantum encryption doesn't sound like a bad idea.
But then again, there may be TOO MUCH SECRECY...

American
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