Re: Mookie agrees with Guthie to this extent

On Apr 16, 1:36 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Your "Mook agrees with Guth to this extent" topic has the ring of
honest merit and soul, not that I'd agree with each and every aspect
of your constructive and informative rant.
. - Brad Guth

On Apr 16, 5:07 am, Willie.Moo...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

Despite my disagreements with you on the level of factual reality, I
do agree with you on one level.  Our commercial society as its
currently constituted is what Lao Tzu and the Taoists would call
'spiritually polluted'

That's because unless you possess considerable commercial success,and
a degree of financial independence, it is difficult for most people to
develop their innate nature.  Even for those fortunate few, commercial
competitiveness fosters distrust of others and makes real human
connection impossible, while the need for self-promotion in a social
environment that values you on the basis of your economic worth warps
reality in ways that separate you from your nature.

The Dali Lama observed that if the only motive in life derives from a
selfish motive and competition to better yourself at the expense of
others, then compassion for others and respect for others is
diminished, and with it the ability to form a cohesive social fabric.
What results is a society were you can trust no one and there is no
one you can count on.  This is not  natural, though many view it as a
natural outcome of the way life is.  Which is a measure of our
dysfunction in society.

Authentic power derives from honoring innate abilities which lead to
craftsmanship, artisans, and natural leaders which lead to peaceful
and abundant growth from naturally productive living and pursuit of
happiness in freedom and strength.

Inauthentic power derives from deception and force of will and threat
of violence which lead to great suffering and turmoil and degradation
of human existence as people are separated from their true nature.

How did we get to be this way?   Historians like Lewis Mumford point
to Galileo as the definer and namer of the modern age, where numbers
reign supreme.  As a result, Economic Calculus invades everything we
do and leads to a market driven society.

In ancient sacred traditions the concept of the sacred is derived
from
the naming of things.  These names orient the imagination and inner
psyche and define our relationship with the world if we accept and
believe the names the namer has chosen for us.

Galileos reliance on numbers gave us the modern scientific age.
Economic application of scientific principles have given us the
modern
market driven economy - which have and continue to provide great
benefit.

At the cost of renaming the world and fixing our relationship to it,
our relationship to each other, and our relationship to ourselves -
leaving us empty and devoid of deeper meaning.  Economists have
renamed the world and defined our social fabric in ways that have
given us great wealth at great cost.  The nature of that cost is
suggested by the economic world itself;

Society = Marketplace
Human Beings = Units of Marginal Production, Labor Costs or Consumers
Nature = Real Estate, Raw Materials, Natural Resources
Time = Money
Existence  = Economic Success

In short, all that is sacred in human life has become profane before
the God of economic progress.

Our social objective is greater profit and this is derived from
squeezing more production out of labor while  getting consumers to
consume more at higher margins.  Since labor and consumers are in
reality the same human beings, this has the predictable effect of
transferring wealth to those who own the capital, raw materials and
property to begin with.  That is why every improvement in economic
efficiency leaves those without access to sufficient capital
relatively poorer than they were before.

Buying into the Economist's naming of the world in this way, combined
with the continuous and massive and unconcious transfer of wealth and
power to fewer and fewer hands,  defines our social norms.  We feel
we
are not living as we are expected to live.  We feel we are not as
productive as we need to be.  We make this judgement of our selves
and
others, based on the names we have agreed to name the world with.  We
concieve of ourselves as nothing more than products for sale, and
judge ourselves by our level of consumtion - which leads to a denial
of who we really are and what we really can be to ourselves and to
others, while degrading our lives enormously as we subordinate every
natural and honest desire to the ever present market.  Our desire for
approval is used to promote consumption.  Our social position is
defined by our ablity to contribute to the economic machine even
while
that machine impoverishes us.

It also leads to an enormous disparity between the richest and the
poorest.  The top 348 richest people own more property than the
poorest 3.3 billion people.  You spout all these numbers and you get
it so obviously wrong, yet this is what we need to look at - and this
is what we need to address.  Not by lambasting and dishonoring the
work and genius of the top 348 - or reviling and dishonring the 3.3
billion - but by looking at how we have defined our world and in so
doing ignored the value and riches each of us has to contribute to
the
whole.

Our market driven society at present engages in a sort of Orwellian
double-speak urging us to consume more at higher prices, while
producing more at lower prices - without ever seeing the disconnect.
This has great cost to human dignity as social responsibility gives
way to market conformity, and natural skills and innate capacities
are
use solely to turn the wheels of commerce, rather than improve each
individual's life - each labor saving device accelerates and enlarges
the tribute every man and woman pays to exist in the society that
results.

In such a society the pursuit and cultivation of each person's inner
nature gives way to increasing rates of buying and selling which
fosters increasing levels of distrust competitiveness and violence.
The need for increasing amounts of money just to survive day to day
put tremendous pressure on everyone's relationships, peace of mind
and
true calling - in order to pay increasing levels of tribute to the
owners of assets we must all use in order to survive in the market.

In fuedal times the common people paid tribute to the the lords and
masters who owned the land on which the common folk worke.  People
caught in today's market driven society blinded by the naming of
reality by economic science, do not realize that they pay tribute at
all.  They call it by another name.  Property owners own money, land
and capital and exact tribute in the form of interest, rents and
profits.

Those rights of tribute are unevenly divided.  Intellectual property
for example, copyrights and patents, have a limited life and revert
back to the public domain.  Real property rights, of money land and
capital, are held in perpetuity and form the basis of inheritance -
and exact high tributes among those who do not own these things.

In ancient times serfs paid to the feudal lords tribute, and today
owners of capital demand profit, those who own money, demand
interest,
those who own property demand rents.  And despite the warnings of our
leaders and despite the right of the US government - as written in
the
constitution to coin money and regulate the value thereof - the
government allows private banks and money lenders to regulate the
value of US currency and all currencies - to the point where 1/2 of
all taxes paid are paid to those private bank - so even our taxes
have
a component of tribute to money owners despite the clear authority in
the Consitution of the US government to avoid this cost.

Lest any of you think I am going off the deep end here, lets look at
what Thomas Jefferson had to say on this subject in 1802 - explaining
why the Constitution was written as it was;

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow
private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by
inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will
grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property
until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers
conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and
restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." - Thomas
Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin
(1802) 3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

In reference to signing the Federal Reserve Act in 1913 Woodrow
Wilson
had this to say; in 1916;

 "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A
great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our
system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation,
therefore,
and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to
be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and
dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government
by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of
the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small
group of dominant men."

Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924) 28th US President

What is the agenda of this small group of dominant men?   To make
money.  The welfare of society is maintained by the great wealth that
supposedly 'trickles down' to the rest of us.

Yet we are struck by the monumental fact that 348 of the richest
people in the world control more wealth than 3.3 billion of the
poorest of us - put together.

It is the responsibility of each of us to develop our own nature.
But

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Since B. Guth gets usually more than his fair share of flak
thrown his way, I've offered a bit of sentimentality with regard
to some of the comments (that are) directed from Mook's logic,
in general. I believe that Guth has become responsible for
a different kind of "ammunition", if it relates to anything
I've seen and heard as being "snookered and dumbfounded past
the point of no return".

: Despite my disagreements with you on the level of factual
: reality, I do agree with you on one level. Our commercial
: society as its currently constituted is what Lao Tzu and the
: Taoists would call 'spiritually polluted'

: That's because unless you possess considerable commercial
: success, and a degree of financial independence, it is dif-
: ficult for most people to develop their innate nature. Even
: for those fortunate few, commercial competitiveness fosters
: distrust of others and makes real human connection impossible,
: while the need for self-promotion in a social environment
: that values you on the basis of your economic worth warps
: reality in ways that separate you from your nature.

: The Dali Lama observed that if the only motive in life derives
: from a selfish motive and competition to better yourself at
: the expense of others, then compassion for others and respect
: for others is diminished, and with it the ability to form a
: cohesive social fabric. What results is a society were you
: can trust no one and there is no one you can count on. This
: is not natural, though many view it as a natural outcome
: of the way life is. Which is a measure of our dysfunction
: in society.

Great choice in the *Devil that you know* at the expense of
an entire world of spiritually "fallen". Take a long hard look
at the image that gets projected back on the worldline of your
very own earth plane and tell me if you can see how your very
own version of material success forces the tax-and-spend
incrementalism on the rest of the free world, and the so-called
"free world" of those who choose to model some kind of "status
quo", a "status quo" that gets jacked upon our democracy, and
then contrast this stark example in the light of reinterpreting
constitutionally (for WHO's sovereignity????)

IMO, if one must "hold on" to the freedoms that one cherishes
the most, one must allow that freedom to "dwell inside" our
being - our blood - our uniqueness - our promise - and there-
fore our future, and then begin to assess our prospects. The
only prospect I see that comes to mind is an AI/human interface.
An AI/human interface can determine where the ionic interface
lies w.r.t. the magnetosomic alignment to earth's magnetic field.

Without polarized magnetosomes, consciousness "disconnects"
from its "sense of mass" and becomes electronic, positronic,
photonic, and plasma-like (w/o boundary). This describes a
"lightbody of consciousness" or perhaps even "out-of-body"
experience, since that particular description has been given
by those in a just-awakening state, trance, or dream. Is this
human devolution? No it isn't, if one can visualize the sense
of AI interface that may be subsuming it:

"One may picture, then, these beings, nuclearly resident,
so to speak, in a relatively small set of mental units,
each utilizing the bare minimum of energy, connected
together by a complex of etherial communication, and
spreading themselves over immense areas and periods of
time by means of inert sense organs which, like the
field of their active operations, would be, in general,
at a great distance from themselves. As the scene of
life would be more the cold emptiness of space than the
warm, dense atmosphere of the planets, the advantage
of containing no organic material at all, so as to be
independent of both these conditions, would be
increasingly felt... "

(Desmond Bernal, The World, the Flesh, and the Devil;
An Inquiry into the Three Enemies of the Rational
Soul, 1929)

It was also suggested by Desmond Bernal that these "masses
of atoms in space [are] communicating by radiation, and ul-
timately perhaps resolving itself entirely into light". If
this is true, then the "light" must represent some form of
"maintenance communication" for the overall well-being of
the "synthetic" lifeform, completely "outside' of being a
"self-defined" or even "anchored" consciousness. (An AI hu-
man/computer intelligent interface programmed to accurately
define what some common terms and euphemisms meant was asked
the meaning of "out of sight, out of mind". Its response:
Invisible Idiot!)

Thus, what can be imagined here must question the nature of
consciousness itself, in the form of what cannot be "contained"
within the AI's decision-making ability to "reflect" on all
possible shades of meaning within the "user interface".

Therefore, I must conclude, that the "user interface" is one
that dwells inside of all of us, and becomes accessed by
the innate desire to drive the species forward towards un-
charted territory.

: Authentic power derives from honoring innate abilities which
: lead to craftsmanship, artisans, and natural leaders which
: lead to peaceful and abundant growth from naturally productive
: living and pursuit of happiness in freedom and strength.

You sound a bit antiquated here - as if to say that the pur-
suit of happiness becomes fulfilled with the acquiring of
material wealth. Nothing could be further from the "real" truth.
Material things are beginning to acquire a weightiness on their
own if the eyes of man were meant to admire the gentleman with
fine clothes, or yacht, or luxurious condo. - That is definitely
not to say that the "real" truth must take an oath to poverty,
but what that suggests is that all of these things are
TRANSITORY - and are meant to be replaced by a further
INDWELLING by the spiritual "driver" that can "disconnect"
a free people from any further obligation of the soul of man
to become "imprisoned" by his carnal nature.

: Inauthentic power derives from deception and force of will
: and threat of violence which lead to great suffering and tur-
: moil and degradation of human existence as people are sep-
: arated from their true nature.

How much of this deception and self-will is "self-induced"?
Who or what is the "gauge" for the right kind of behavior?
If each individual has a "gift" that must be exercised every
now and then - in order to obtain credibility, how is that
"credibility" established with/between his peers? Seems to
me that a great majority of would-be successful entrepreneurs
have only established themselves superficially, either with
others (of their own ilk) who have become hamstrung by the
system that was able to get them to where they are, and whose
creditors have now come back to haunt their success with
problems of their own legalistic usury - all the way to the
top of the money chain.

The money system itself is corrupted and must be replaced
by something that can put greater distance between the
"provider" and the "borrower".

: How did we get to be this way? Historians like Lewis
: Mumford point to Galileo as the definer and namer of the
: modern age, where numbers reign supreme. As a result,
: Economic Calculus invades everything we do and leads to a
: market driven society.

Not exactly. Kepler, who would begin to put a sort of stone
age spin on the orbits of every planet in the solar system,
would use the earth's orbit as the measure of all things:

Circumscribe the earth with a dodecahedron, and the
circle containing this will be Mars. Circumscribe Mars
with a tetrahedron, and the resultant circle will contain
Jupiter. Circumscribe Jupiter with a cube, and the
resultant circle will contain Saturn.

Likewise, an icosahedron inscribed within the Earth will
contain Venus, and Venus insribed with an octahedron will
contain Mercury.

There's a harmony between the numbers that Galileo used and
the orbits of the planets themselves. Taking this one step
further, it's the GRAVITY that has been affecting our be-
havior on all levels - so anyone who must attach themselves
(behaviorally, at least) to the financial systems of most
or all the world, becomes the "prisoner of gravity", and
all of those who espouse the world system of authority
and rule. However we might exist in this world, we are
made in the image of YHWH, and are in no way are *of*
this world.

: In ancient sacred traditions the concept of the sacred is
: derived from the naming of things. These names orient the
: imagination and inner psyche and define our relationship
: with the world if we accept and believe the names the
: namer has chosen for us.

The "name" you are referring to - is this a legalistic name,
a "membership" name, or a "spiritual" name? I can no more
believe or accept the "parent" who names more than the One
who is able to grant us life in being able to choose the
right path that lays before us.

: Galileos reliance on numbers gave us the modern scientific
: age. Economic application of scientific principles have
: given us the modern market driven economy - which have
: and continue to provide great benefit.

As you have stipulated so well, the "number system" bodes
well, and according to about 75% experience and IMO, it does
this more for the "takers" than it does the "achievers"
OUTSIDE OF THE TRUE INGENUITY OF OUR TIME.

: At the cost of renaming the world and fixing our rela-
: tionship to it, our relationship to each other, and our
: relationship to ourselves - leaving us empty and devoid
: of deeper meaning. Economists have renamed the world and
: defined our social fabric in ways that have given us great
: wealth at great cost. The nature of that cost is sugges-
: ted by the economic world itself;

It would seem to be that the "cost" you are referring to here,
since the once-great internet had become the launch-pad of
so many great ideas, and now it is in danger of becoming
the accuser of the brethren that in blood and sweat, believed
more in the blood and sweat that made America great, at the
expense of the usurer, the micromanager, the arrogant, and
the manipulator.

: Society = Marketplace
: Human Beings = Units of Marginal Production, Labor Costs
: or Consumers
: Nature = Real Estate, Raw Materials, Natural Resources
: Time = Money
: Existence = Economic Success

Here you have changed face, as you define "Human Beings =
Units of Marginal Production, Labor Costs", when in fact the
system that has perpetrated this very behavior is able to
define what "success" is at the cost of these other "numbers".
The "Human Resources" of today has become the "human
marginalizer" of a much more vast potential, than what
presently exists in the minds of these pawns on an 8D chessboard

: In short, all that is sacred in human life has become
: profane before the God of economic progress.

Apparently you realise a "profanity" of the cold business
environment, that is able to rob, kill, and destroy most or
all of "honest enterprise", within the statist plutonic and
absolutist moral relativism of our time.

: Our social objective is greater profit and this is derived
: from squeezing more production out of labor while getting
: consumers to consume more at higher margins. Since labor
: and consumers are in reality the same human beings, this
: has the predictable effect of transferring wealth to those
: who own the capital, raw materials and property to begin
: with. That is why every improvement in economic efficiency
: leaves those without access to sufficient capital
: relatively poorer than they were before.

I'm assuming that "those who own the capital" are NOT a part
of the "feedback loop" you are describing, because while
"they" have made themselves capable of being the "observer"
of human carnage and suffering in the credit squeeze, what
meaning does the capital acquire from the uses that it is
put? Aren't the moneymen themselves then perceived as the
physiological "saviors" of what causes non-fluidity, numbness,
and paralysis in the so-called "consumer"? Or, are the
"consumers" themselves "just along for the ride"?

: Buying into the Economist's naming of the world in this way,
: combined with the continuous and massive and unconcious
: transfer of wealth and power to fewer and fewer hands,
: defines our social norms. We feel we are not living as we

The state itself has become the legalistic enforcer of the
politics that surround THEIR survivability, not OURS. Yet
most of the socialist manifestos inherited by a country-gone-
escapist rather than a country-gone-promise-market has fueled
this inadvertant judgement upon the remaining few honest of us.

: are expected to live. We feel we are not as productive as
: we need to be. We make this judgement of our selves and
: others, based on the names we have agreed to name the world
: with. We concieve of ourselves as nothing more than pro-

Glad you said "we" rather than the "individual" - because on
a case-to-case basis, I see so many more individuals who are
much, much more capable of a greater efficiency with things like
lowering metered energy costs by stripping the profits that
environmental groups extract from capital gains with added taxes,
and handing those profits back to the consumer at the gas pump.

: ducts for sale, and judge ourselves by our level of consump-
: tion - which leads to a denial of who we really are and what
: we really can be to ourselves and to others, while degrading

Yes, and most Americans have become expert at masking these
"denials" with things like "Earth day", "Arbor Day", or even
"Green Day". Had we not lost our idea for the free energy that
people like Tesla inspired, we'd be planting trees on Mars,
or inhabiting other G2V systems by now.

: our lives enormously as we subordinate every natural and
: honest desire to the ever present market. Our desire for
: approval is used to promote consumption. Our social posi-
: tion is defined by our ablity to contribute to the economic
: machine even while that machine impoverishes us.

This "machine" you're mentioning is definitely over-driven
and under-maintenanced. Perhaps it is time to replace our
oil-driven economy with a brand new shiny quantum-energized
one... We can then join with our pioneers in exploring the
rest of the galaxy like no other "march on Rome".

: It also leads to an enormous disparity between the richest
: and the poorest. The top 348 richest people own more prop-
: erty than the poorest 3.3 billion people. You spout all
: these numbers and you get it so obviously wrong, yet this
: is what we need to look at - and this is what we need to
: address. Not by lambasting and dishonoring the work and
: genius of the top 348 - or reviling and dishonring the 3.3
: billion - but by looking at how we have defined our world
: and in so doing ignored the value and riches each of us has
: to contribute to the whole.

: Our market driven society at present engages in a sort of
: Orwellian double-speak urging us to consume more at higher
: prices, while producing more at lower prices - without ever
: seeing the disconnect. This has great cost to human dignity

This is the marketplace that the once simple, hard-working
entrepreneur has inherited at the expense of a much wider
and more complex business environment. The level of complexity
has grown exponentially in being able to handle the needs
of a single, let alone a whole system of trade, when it has
become "anyone" who's not just "everyone" that seeks some
measure of survivability at their OWN local level - and not
by some invisible or pink hand that can license or take away
their home, their food, their very livelihood, mainly because
some stupid group of politicians want to remain ignorant of
answers, and even unsupportive of longer term "financial
stability" than the short-term profits of the over-marginal-
ized promise-markets gone sour.

: as social responsibility gives way to market conformity,
: and natural skills and innate capacities are use solely to
: turn the wheels of commerce, rather than improve each
: individual's life - each labor saving device accelerates
: and enlarges the tribute every man and woman pays to exist
: in the society that results.

Enter the motif of ancient Rome: Veni, Vidi, Veci, or "I came,
I saw, and I conquered", attributable to Julius Caesar, in
celebration for his speed in dispatching the war. - This is
the height of the superficial conquerer, who comes to destroy
the flesh, though the spirit lives eternal - these are the
spiritual vampires even of our time - who must rule by fear
and who cause the double-mindedness of a society in transition.

: In such a society the pursuit and cultivation of each person's
: inner nature gives way to increasing rates of buying and
: selling which fosters increasing levels of distrust competi-
: tiveness and violence. The need for increasing amounts of

This is not to admit that an increase in the growth of techno-
logical markets hinders overall well being (ergo the Fed cap of
4% growth in manufacturing), but from a territorial standpoint,
the problems that exist with new job creation and transporta-
tion create social tensions within and between these infra-
structures - and the non-revolutionary technologies (esp.
pork-barrel) hinder rather than enhance the ability of whole
markets to capitalize.

: money just to survive day to day put tremendous pressure on
: everyone's relationships, peace of mind and true calling -
: in order to pay increasing levels of tribute to the owners
: of assets we must all use in order to survive in the market.

Jesus overturned the tables in the marketplace. I wonder what
he would do today, given that so many of us are pitting our-
selves against others in a race that nobody wins - except
that when God speaks - everyone listens.

: In fuedal times the common people paid tribute to the the
: lords and masters who owned the land on which the common folk
: worke. People caught in today's market driven society blinded
: by the naming of reality by economic science, do not realize
: that they pay tribute at all. They call it by another name.
: Property owners own money, land and capital and exact tribute
: in the form of interest, rents and profits.

In Job's time it was the local Satrap - a prodigy of warlord -
that gave the landowners "protection" from invaders at the
cost of providing some form of recompense to the Satrap.
Today the Satrap is stretching himself on all fronts - maybe
too thin - rather than putting out small fires in the homeland.

That is typical "boxed" thinking - the result of a spiritual
disease of a whole nation gone materialistic - but these are
the symptoms of too many "children technologies", being per-
petrated on the markets as a whole - not "enlightening" tech-
nologies that become "steps along the way", leading nations
to larger truths of a deeper nature - these are "crossover"
technologies that were meant to lead us into the next century
and beyond. Instead, the transnationalists have condemned
most or all of humanity to relive the past of their invali-
dating peers. I believe that many of these people have become
"too lazy" in "seizing the moment" for helping to establish
many of these "hidden truth" technologies.

: Those rights of tribute are unevenly divided. Intellectual
: property for example, copyrights and patents, have a limited
: life and revert back to the public domain. Real property
: rights, of money land and capital, are held in perpetuity
: and form the basis of inheritance - and exact high tributes
: among those who do not own these things.

Another "prison" for those who refuse to worship the "golden
calf" of materialism. We all know what the "hidden truth" was,
that was written by the hand on the wall:

MENE, MENE,TEKEL,UPARSIN: MENE, MENE; God hath
numbered thy kingdom..., TEKEL; thou art weighed in the
balances..., UPARSIN; thy kingdom is divided between the
Medes and Persians. Contemporarily speaking, the race
towards advanced technology becomes unified or divided
between peaceful or destructive uses. The Medes in this
case are the media giants, nurturing away the child in all
of us to the land of make-believe, and the Persians, who are
the partisans of the military industrial complex, provide
the machinery for "protecting the innocent". Thus we have
a mind-over-matter (Mede), and then matter-over-mind (Persian)
society, both obscuring the free will of entrepreneurs in
what was supposed to have been a quantum energized economy.

: In ancient times serfs paid to the feudal lords tribute, and
: today owners of capital demand profit, those who own money,
: demand interest, those who own property demand rents. And
: despite the warnings of our leaders and despite the right
: of the US government - as written in the constitution to coin
: money and regulate the value thereof - the government allows
: private banks and money lenders to regulate the value of US
: currency and all currencies - to the point where 1/2 of
: all taxes paid are paid to those private bank - so even our
: taxes have a component of tribute to money owners despite the
: clear authority in the Consitution of the US government to
: avoid this cost.

This was the "phenomenon" that started with the rich bankers,
who were actually war profiteers, before the last turn of the
century. Lincoln knew this all too well, and some may question
the system that got this Kentuckian to become president - but
his words still ring true to the rest of us:

"Inasmuch as most good things are produced by labor, it
follows that all such things ought to belong to those whose
labor has produced them. BUT IT HAS HAPPENED IN ALL AGES OF
THE WORLD that some have labored, and others, without labor,
have enjoyed a large proportion of the fruits. THIS IS
WRONG, AND SHOULD NOT CONTINUE. To secure to each laborer
the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a
worthy object of any good government."

(The Demand of Labor - Abraham Lincoln)

"... Now, there is no such relation between capital and
labor as here assumed... Labor is prior to and independent
of capital. capital is only the fruit of labor, and could
NEVER have existed if LABOR had not first existed. Labor
is the superior of capital, and deserves much the
higher consideration."

(The Rights of Labor - Abraham Lincoln)

Here I define labor as anything involved with improving the
human condition for not only oneself, but for all who might
profit from a technology. IMO, I believe that there are con-
siderably MORE who would profit from an energy-liberating
technology than an energy-confining one. The only thing that
limits the responsible use of this technology are the ones
who make themselves "gas for dollars" (notice I didn't say
"oil for dollars"). These people are the environmentalists
who have, for the most part, created the "box" or "manipu-
latorium complex" that many money-lenders have become addic-
ted to: "oil-for-dollars" as a "cover" for the "oil-for-
gasoline" and even "oil-for-dollars" as a MASK for "roads-
for-cars-for-gasoline"!!

: Lest any of you think I am going off the deep end here, lets
: look at what Thomas Jefferson had to say on this subject in
: 1802 - explaining why the Constitution was written as it was;

: "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to
: our liberties than standing armies. If the American people
: ever allow private banks to control the issue of their cur-
: rency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and
: corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will de-
: prive the people of all property until their children wake-
: up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The
: issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored
: to the people, to whom it properly belongs." - Thomas
: Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert
: Gallatin (1802) 3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

Are we supposed to believe that these were empty words?
Not by a long shot!

: In reference to signing the Federal Reserve Act in 1913
: Woodrow Wilson had this to say; in 1916;

: "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country.
: A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit.
: Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation,
: therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.
: We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most com-
: pletely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized
: world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a gov-
: ernment by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a gov-
: ernment by the opinion and duress of a small group of
: dominant men."

: Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924) 28th US President

Unfortunately, the above statement was spoken after-the-fact.
It was the banking establishment that were able to secretly
get this guy into office, by "acoutrementizing" his path to the
presidency. What better way of keeping "law and order" at the
expense of those hard working townspeople who became used to
watching the local bank accountants lock their front doors,
only after their balance sheets made it to some small normalcy?

: What is the agenda of this small group of dominant men? To make
: money. The welfare of society is maintained by the great wealth
: that supposedly 'trickles down' to the rest of us.

These people cannot "own" the capital more than they can
"represent" it. If this were not the case, as it seems to be, then
we're looking at their "overinflated" product - that being the
capital - in the form of government handouts at the pure expense
of private enterprise.

: Yet we are struck by the monumental fact that 348 of the richest
: people in the world control more wealth than 3.3 billion of the
: poorest of us - put together.

There is the "numbers game" that gets stood on its head each time
the overinflated balloon of Federal Reserve Notes "pops".
(I wonder what ever happened to the "trial" in "trial balloon"
for U.S. government?) Are there any banks that only lend to
civilians? Are there any private space entrepreneurs that have
not become so tied to the purse strings of other bureaucracies
that their technology can continually reinvent itself in the face
of overwhelming competition from the government?

: It is the responsibility of each of us to develop our own nature.
: But we are ALL responsible for the society in which we live.
: We ought not be afraid to criticize injustice, but we ought not
: needlessly criticize, nor think that by merely criticizing we
: have done enough in fulfilling our civic duty to create a world
: where the dignity and capacity of all of us is fully used to
: benefit us all fairly.

It takes too much time to garner support from ignorant masses
of non-interested or non-educated people. The only thing one
can hope for is that one's ideas get noticed quickly, and are put
to use effectively. A successful energy-saving or time-saving
prototype then becomes the evidence for the (honest) marketers
to ponder. There are too many people interested in "gaging" how
the selling points of a particular product will get passed on to
the consumer, e.g., the way a business becomes operated should
become less "business" oriented and more "people with an interest"
oriented. Of course, there will always be those who are able to
capitalize on someone else's ideas, but that should be accom-
plished in an open environment of good will and recompense.


American
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