Re: Modest Proposal - Common Interplanetary Booster



On Sep 4, 10:21 am, BradGuth <bradg...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 4, 5:02 am, Willie.Moo...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:





On Sep 4, 2:06 am, Pat Flannery <flan...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jeff Findley wrote:
You also have to look at the damage caused by moving slowly through the
van-Allen radiation belts.  The radiation in those belts has a nasty
tendency to damage electronics, especially solar arrays.

 Yeah, I hadn't thought of the VA belts; that really would screw things
up for a slow climb to escape velocity via ion propulsion.
 So much for Ernst Stuhlinger's ion-driven parasol Mars ships.
 Of course WvB had his space station orbiting at 1,000 miles altitude,
so that wasn't a good idea either.

You really want to start your ion engine journey *above* the van-Allen
belts.  Say one of the earth-moon Lagrange points?

That would probably be as good a point as any to start from. Just make
sure you don't collide with the Moon as you spiral out.

Pat

There's also the cycle time.

Operating commercially to GEO there is a cost penalty in tarrying too
long at any one stage of the journey.

While 2 days versus 70 days may not seem like such a big deal with low
launch rates, especially in the present anti-space environment, that
changes in a commercial operation.

You don't make money waiting.

Putting up a powersat a week or heaven forfend, a powersat a day,
which is what's needed to supply the power needs of a growing planet,
means that one or two of the chemical boosters will  be needed while
10 to 70 ion boosters are needed for the same mass flow rate to
GEO..

Now, the savings achieved sending up twice the payload to GEO per
ground launch which is what ion gives you, pales in comparison to the
costs of maintaining 10 to 70 of them in transit to maintain your mass
flow rate to GEO.

As costs drop, demand increases.  Withi increasing demand, there is an
increasing mass flow rate from Earth to GEO in this case.  A similar
analysis is done for luna and mars and NEAs and Ceres etc.  Each
system has an order of battle dictated by the astrogation
requirements, the technical requirements, and the business
requirements.

At present we have intelligence and communications assets at GEO and
MEOI and LEO.  I am contemplating global network assets, energy assets
as well as material resource assets, and a human presence at MEO, GEO
and beyond.  This changes things.

As I said previously, at some point increasing specific impulse makes
sense.  With a successful powersat constellation on orbit it makes
sense to use available spare laser capacity to implement a variety of
laser propulsion technologies.  These include;

  1) laser thermal 1,000 sec isp  44.5 MW/tonne
  2) laser detonation 2,000 sec isp 89.0 MW/tonne
  3) laser electric ion 5,000 sec isp 222.5 MW/tonne
  4) laser light sail (infinity isp)  1.47 GW/kgf

We have increasing power levels for a given thrust at higher specific
impulses.  This is analogous to a gear in a transmission.  So, a
gigawatt at 1,000 sec Isp produces about 50,000 lbf engine.  That same
gigawatt at 2,000 sec Isp produces only 25,000 lbf but better gas
mileage.  At 5,000 sec Isp, we have 10,000 lbf engine and with a laser
light sail the same GW produces 680 grams of force.

With the energy source removed from the rocket, and power delivered by
laser beam, we have the ability to increase thrust to weight - which
shortens boost times and mission times - which maintains flight rate
and cost efficiency - providing balance of system costs are kept under
control.

The launcher therefore benetis most from laser thermal, the upper
stage, laser detonatoin, and kick stage laser-electric while
interplanetary and interstellar stages use laser light sail.

This only makes sense economically when the cost of laser photons from
solar pumped space lasers drop below a certain price.- throughout
their entire cycle of use.

This along with the other considerations determine the 'order of
battle' in introducing the technology.  Also open issues in each
system described determine R&D efforts and maturity of the technology
determines the level of R&D effort.

To get an idea of cost - consider that a barrel of crude oil contains
6.1 GJ of energy.  It costs these days in excess of $122 - that's $20
per GJ.  A 300hp engine costs about $2,350 - that's $10,000 per MW. At
these prices we have built the automotive age - though during its peak
costs were more in the $1 per GJ range.

For laser detonation engines to operate at the same cost as
automobiles requires that each tonne of thrust cost less than $890,000
and each second of illumination cost less than $1.78

At these prices we can begin to consider the use of laser detonation
in our rockets, both on the ground and in deep space.

Now a short range ballistic flier is possible with this system.  To
travel further requires more energy than is typically used in
automotive travel.  So to get reasonable costs, for daily driver
rockets prices have to drop.  Which is another way of saying that
prices have to drop for demand to increase.  This is an unremarkable
statement.  However, what should the prices be?  The answer is around
1% the cost of what we pay for energy and power in automobiles.  That
is a tonne of thrust with a laser detonation engine has to cost around
$8,900 and each second of illumination by a space laser to drive it
has got to cost about $0.02   At these prices, we can begin to
realistically consider personal ballistic transport off world, and to
any point on world.  The age of the daily driver rocket will have
arrived.

The way to achieve these prices is to invest in technologies that
lower the cost of generation and increase power to weight.  I have
engaged in a 12 year program to cut the costs in terrestrial solar
power

http://www.usoal.com

and I have developed a business model to implement this technology for
profit

http://www.ohiochamber.com/governmental/pdfs/William%20Mook_021308.pdf

my intent is to continue my research into creating low cost laser
powersats and low cost launchers to support them.

Terrestrial solar at 7 cents per peak wtt produces energy at 1/3 to
1/5 cent per kWh - , that's $0.92 to $0.56 per GJ - which is cheap
enough to electrolyze water into hydrogen and oxygen, and use those
chemicals in a variety of ways to make synthetic fuels of
exceptionally high quality - and do so at a profit!   And restore the
price points for energy that prevailed in the 1950s and 60s -
restoring our economic vigor.

I am not content to rest there.  Lower costs are possible!   The same
terrestrial arrays that will resolve our energy problems today, will
be the basis upon which we will grow into the future!  Adding a power
satellite on orbit, the same area as the terrestrial array allows the
terrestrial array to produce 16x more energy in a year.  Do this with
only twice the cost, and the cost of power drops to 1/8th the figures
above -  doing in the 2010s what we should have done in the 1970s -
made power too cheap to meter!!  Of course the costs of meters have
dropped since the 1950s, and the uses we'll put this energy to is
unimagined in the 1950s yet, at $0.12 to $0.07 per GJ -  we are at a
price point that makes personal ballistic transport a reality.  Also,
resolving the cost issues associated with the powersat in the first
place, helps solve some key issues to make laser detonation -
especially when done in MEMs arrays - I like to call propulsive skin -
gets the price for an engine to where it needs to be as well.

And the trillions upon trillions of public loot in order to pay for
all of this off-world and terrestrial infrastructure is materializing
exactly how?

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I have not proposed spending any public money on any of my projects.

The present day market for fuels on this planet is $4 trillion per
year. These fuels support a $70 trillion economy. That economy and
the demand for fuels, increases at 4% per year globally, and as much
as 12% per year in economic hotspots like China, India and
Indonesia.

Buying coal reserves, and stripped out surface mines, and putting
solar panels on the stripped out land, and making hydrogen and oxygen
gases from water using sunlight, and using the hydrogen and oxygen
with coal to make AC electricity (through co-gen) and gasoline, diesel
fuel and jet fuel - provides a way to increase the value of coal
acquired for less than $2 per tonne, to something worth on the order
of $1,000 per tonne.

This creates private funds. I pay taxes, I do not take them.

Like Howard Hughes back in the day I do not sell my technology. I
build own and operate facilities for a piece of the action. I own 35%
of the output of all my facilities. The mine owners and financiers
own the other parts of the output.

A 200,000 b/d facility takes 30,000 tons of coal per day and 6,000
tons of hydrogen to make $25 million in free cash flow per day.
Each facility is therefore worth $210 billion at today's fuel
prices. That makes my piece of each facility worth $70 billion -
that's $3 billion free cash flow per year from each facility.

The money comes from the sale of gasoline diesel fuel and jet fuel
from each facility.

I have 8 facilities under construction right now.

I will build 50 to 60 facilities over the next 10 years.

This will net me $3.5 trillion in assets, and $150 billion per year in
free cash flow.

Somewhere along this development arc I will acquire the space launch
assets of all the major aerospace companies. Either by buying the
companies outright, and splitting off their non-space launch
components - or by buying those portions from their parent. This is
likely to cost something on the order of $50 billion.

Another $65 billion will reorganize those assets and result in the
sorts of systems we're describing here - the first step is to stop the
bleeding and get off the government teat - this means finding a
revenue source.

The low hanging fruit is telecom. Teledesic had the right idea, but
they didn't grab their balls and start building the launchers they
needed. This killed them, as it killed Motorola's Iridium program. I
will launch 660 satellites into sun synch polar orbits using a fully
reusable launcher of the type described here. This will provide 50
billion wireless broadband channels with a very simple chipset that
can be installed in any sort of digital device. This will generate
about $300 billion per year in revenues, and make the $110 billion
acquisition and reorg costs, well worth it. The $300 billion per year
will generate another $100 billion per year to maintain the
infrastructure - which is about 3x what the world spends on space
development today. The rest will accumulate to a kitty that will
allow me to make bets on space related stuff. Also I will invest
heavily in tele-robotics for use on Earth - and telepresence.

After the communications constellation is producing a profit, I will
then build test satellites to do powersat experiments in space, and
telerobotic assembly and manufacturing in space - as well as
telepresence to implement space travel for the masses.

That is, while you will be able to buy a flight to orbit for $5
million along this development arc, you will also be able to hire a
live circuit to a telerobot on orbit for $5 per minute - this will be
popular at State Fairs and so forth - providing a full environment.
And for a few dollars per month - you'll be able to do telepresence
online - across the solar system - and there will of course be
computer modelled environments created from live data fromacross the
solar system.

This will get us to the moon, mars, and NEAs - allow us to develop
each, and when the cost of energy drops to an appropriate level, usher
in personal ballistic travel and personal spaceships, and finally
personal space homes the size of los angeles county for the cost of a
10 acre plot in Wyoming.

.



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