Re: Scientific Accuracy of Quran amazes you

On 5 Sep, 20:38, Willie.Moo...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
We haven't even begun yet to learn about the cosmos - we're at about
10% mark - if that. Anything more than two centuries old, are as the
musings of children in the dark.

But I am curious. Why are planetary sized bodies flying through
interstellar space free of a star a logical impossiblity in your
view? I do agree that most planets are likely formed around stars,
but even that isn't known with certainty. Some might be formed some
other ways. Also, planets around stars that pass close to one another
may be accelerated away to fly freely through space afterward.

Such planets would be damned cold, haha.. unless as Bob Forward
postulated in one of his stories, life forms arose that processed
fissionable materials to power chemical processes.

This idea was well before the bacteria that processes hot water vents
under the ocean were discovered, so, Bob was right about that one,

There have been a number of postulates concerning life. It is possible
I suppose that life exists aroung hot vents. This is the supposition
for Europa. Europa BTW gets most of its energy from tides rather than
radioactive decay.

This is however beside the main point. There STIL needs to be carbon,
and this can only come from the first generation of stars. Helium is
converted to Carbon, Oxygen and Silicon. Could I make one other remark
here about dark matter. Planets/brown drawfs are NOT dark matter. This
is clear since in the Big Bang Hydrogen, Helium and Lithium were
formed (at the end of 3 minutes). This sets limits on the amount of
baryonic matter. DM is therefore, for the most part, non baryonic.

Planets and other small bodies in interstellar space likely form an
appreciable navigation hazard to interstellar travel where they
occur. At present we have no idea how many such objects there might
be flying free of stars. Heck, we weren't even sure about Kuiper Belt
Objects a decade ago, and we're still not sure about Nemesis or the
presence of other low luminosity brown dwarfs further out.

Not stricly true. We don't know about every object in the Kuiper belt
but broad limits are set by the first 3 minutes. One interesting
point. Will CERN throw any light on the DM question? Yes aand no. DM
particles are of low mass a few KeV. This is set by the Dark Matter
experiment down the mine and also from the diffuse nature of DM. This
contrasts with the 14TeV collisions of CERN. If however CERN indicates
supersymmetry we will know that photinos and gravitinos are
components.

One of the things we need to do as part of our expansion into space it
create improved space based survey instruments and a common scientific
network to tie them all together and gather the information across
large areas, and across lengths of time. All science would benefit
from all instruments having a common mode of data formatting - and
older records being permanently stored in this new common format..

Not really. Travelling at c/2 or even 0.1c planets are the least of
your worries. Dust collisions have nuclear force. To make an
interstellar journey you need some sort of sacrificial shield. I have
proposed at one point having a clould of dust particles held in place
by electrostatics.

Hubble Space Telescope was the barest beginning. Lots of politics,
because it was basically a KH-11 spysat adapted for space
observation. We need to be doing more and set the politics of the
cold war aside.

Large optical telescopes, VLBI with radio IR vis and UV - done in
space would do a lot to help us figure out what's around us in the
solar system and set the stage for the next big development - Near
Earth Objects. will teach us in this century how to move and mine
asteroids and Kuiper Belt Objects - while securing our planet from
collisions in space.

I am in favor, but as explained planets are not the problem. The
probability of hitting a stone is far higher than that of a planet.

Beyond that, we need to send missions out to a thousand astronomical
units and explore the potential of gravity lensing to provide a
powerful telescopic ability across the cosmos, and chart the space
around our sun to a very high degree of accuracy.

I don't know that you need to go 1000AU out. You can detect
gravitational lensing from here. Hubble has done it. Hubble has in
fact given us 8km/s mean speed for DM which fits in quite nicely with
the mine. No, what you need is a more powerful telescope. In fact if
you have your ultrastable platforms and have telescopes 1km or 10km
across the main details they will see looking out into space is DM
details. They will also see Earths orbiting other stars. A telescope
is not dedicated to just one thing. 1000AU would give you a 2D view of
DM.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1986BAAS...18Q1012M

Doing this in the next 20 years will prepare us for interstellar
voyaging in the years that follow, while charting the riches of the
solar system for eventual development by humanity.

Finally, we have at the center of the galaxy, and apparently ALL
galaxies, a rapidly spinning black hole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fytriKJ8xhE

The three million solar mass 23 million km diameter black hole spins
at 37% the speed of light, requiring 11 minutes to complete one
revolution. Around the equator is an ergosphere - a very sizeable
ergosphere.

http://odin.physastro.mnsu.edu/~eskridge/astr101/kauf24_10.JPGhttp://www.engr.mun.ca/~ggeorge/astron/lkjh.gif

Which provides the possibility of extracting energy from within the
event horizon of the black hole through the penrose process

http://www.ias.ac.in/jarch/jaa/6/85-100.pdf

and travelling through time through von stuckum zones

The Penrose process is in fact in operation roung supermassive BHs and
produces the jets.

As far as time travel is concerned I do not think this is possible.
The soltion in GR all postulate negative mass. I think we have
discussed this already vis a vis warp drives.

There is another paradox. This in an infinity paradox rather than the
traditional grandfather paradox. Suppose we send a beam of loght which
gets shifted back in time. We can use the returning light to reinforce
the beam we are sending. Infinity therefore. Infinity - INFLATION? I
have posted on that too.


These musings are as accurate and meaningful as the musings of
Mohammad - and just as informed. Yet science is poised to really know
the difference the real difference between past future present and
eternity. At that point, we might know enough to understand our
feelings and our experiences and integrate them in some rational
meaningful way - and we will have resolved the hero task of the modern
scientific age.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AG4rlGkCRU

This I think is missing the main point, which is was advanced
knowledge DICTATED. Did it travel back in time. Suppose we could
transmit a message to the 17th century - Andrew Wiles' proof! There is
a legend that Fermat when he lay dying said that he had the proof of
the "last theorem" and would write it down. Did he? Andrew Wiles is
extremely skeptical.

Did any advanced knowledge reach Mohammad? The analysis has been given
previously. No evidence. There is one other point too. I mentioned the
17th century and the proof of Fermat. What about prime polynomials and
the products of two prime polynomials. Error correction no less. Note
that All Arabic is placed lift to right in the Buckwalter one to one
transliteration system

http://www.qamus.org/transliteration.htm

What about women covering their faces.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=EfFA4dF-Zg8C&dq=text+of+koran&pg=PP1&ots=TYaCFkE_fr&source=citation&sig=uaOdwbxKvQ22BEG1UuxwL139D9s&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=13&ct=result#PPA5,M1

- or tightening their belts?

My own investigations on Arabic have whown that the short vowels are a
critical factor.

String=wAlW$rAqytA

and+the Illuminist 64 two
and+the Illuminist 256 two

String=bsm

smiling 64
smile 64
smiles 64
smiling 64
in / by + (the) Name of 64
crush 4 you
pulverize 4 you
kiss 4 you
by poison 64
by feature/characteristic/stamp 64

The strings are all Buckwalter. The computer tries to find a prefix, a
suffix and a stem which fit. The number refers to a part of speech and
will be used for agreement. The suffix meaning here comes after the
stem (in fact incorrect). "two" is a suffix dual.

The point is WITH SHORT VOWELS INCLUDED MOST AMBIGUITY IS RESOLVED.

Now the point is the Archangel Gabriel was remiss in not insisting on
an error correction scheme. This after all is pretty elementary when
you go to Pluto.

The political point is that up to fairly recently the Arab world had
had secular governments and the general appearance of Cairo, Damascus
and Tangier was that of any other Mediterrean city. Then along came
the Saudi Wahabbis who insisted on the veil.

If Gabiel had dictated prime polynomials either :-

1) Cairo, Damascus, Tangier would NEVER have had the appearance of
Mediterranean cities, or

2) They would still have that appearance.

He puts up a case. He may be right, I don't know. I think this the
core point is the possibility of ambiguity. It would be interesting to
see what Moslems actually think about this. Almost certainly the Koran
has changed. It must have by the law of averages.

This to me is the central point.


- Ian Parker
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