Re: Is it this easy to live on Earth?

On Oct 3, 7:04 pm, kT <cos...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Willie.Moo...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
I asked a question about using molecular sieves, solar power and thin
films to survive on Mars by compressing oxygen 27,000x and compressing
nitrogen and water 5,000x from Mar's atmosphere - to provide water,
oxygen and nitrogen - needed to sustain life on Mars. Each person
needs about 10 watts per day for this purpose - out of a budget of 165
watts per day.

Some folks reading this result asked how easy would it be to live on
Earth? haha.. Sort of a dumb question, but when one looks at the
inputs needed to create the Jeffersonian ideal of independent farmer
families producing and trading from their own capital base..

Using advanced technology, self-replicating technology, and an
internet based knowledge sphere - this ideal seems very close indeed.
With the industrial age of large scale capital investments - being but
a temporary period - and an end point of technical development having
technological 'seeds' augment more traditional biological seeds - and
a common outgrowth being to tap into the environment for energy and
raw materials- to create a highly sustainable environment within.

Using modern agricultural practice it takes about 1 acre - 4,050 sq m
- to support an individual's food demand at the USA per capita rate.
This uses outdoor agriculture. Greenhouses have substantially higher
outputs - supporting up to 100 people per acre. This suggests that a
well managed automated system might support a family of 3 to 12 people
on less than 2,000 sq m.

Water is easily recovered from the atmosphere of Earth without any
need of centralized piping or sewage treatment by using molecular
sieves and pumps similar to that described for mars, but requiring
about 1/4th the energy..

Solar power - averages 120 to 240 watts/ m2 depending on locale.
Demands of about 250 W/person on a continuous basis seem to be
adequate. So, with 40% efficient systems, mean the 5 sq meter per
person is needed. So, supporting say 12 people per 'farm' - requires
60 sq meters of panels. Energy is stored as hydrogen and oxygen gas
at high pressure in thin film containers. .

MEMS based industrial systems capable of producing a wide array of
products, including PET thin films for major structural systems,

PET thin films molded to contain pneumatic structural elements and
coated with dichroic films and other elements to control lighting -
form very low mass very easily constructed greenhouses. EPS
stabilized PET structures - with polyacrylate actuators - form very
sophisticated robotic systems to automate farming and growing
functions - with a high degree of automation - and the balance
provided by an IP based telerobotic capability driving humaniform
robots.

Approximately 200 kg per person is needed to sustain that person at a
very high level.

MEMs based systems - capable of self assembly and self reproduction -
also appear possible.

A 12 person farm consists of a 2.4 tonne inflatable self erecting
system - that produces a copy of itself - including animal and plant
offspring- every 2 years.

Self replicating MEMs system need not have sophisticated AI. Johnny
vonNeuman demonstrated self replicating systems in the 1940s using a
shoe box and shaped pieces of wood. He also used a clay based system
that molded 'daughters' by pressing two 'parent' molds together. The
front of one mold is pressed against the back of another mold, and the
volume in between, creates a copy of the two molds. When dried, the
new mold can function with other molds to make copies of itself.

A complex device that is essentially an orgami of a piece of foil that
is cut into a specific 2d pattern and folded into a specific shape..

The orgami is unfolded and immersed in an electrolytic solution that
causes another foil to form from solution coating the first.

The double *** is immersed in another solution that causes the two
sheets to separate into two identical sheets.

The two sheets are now folded into the same orgami shape replicating
the same device.

These sheets of foil are actually polymers that have insulating,
conductive and semiconductive properties - and all these properties
are replicated in the 'daughter' sheets.

It will take about 5 to 8 years to completely spec out and design the
very first 'farm' - but then every two years, the number of farms will
double. Within 63 years that one farm will balloon into 2 billion
farms - capable of supporting 24 billion people at current USA per
capita standard of consumption. Each farm covers 2,000 sq meters (1/2
acres) so 2 billion of them - covering 4 million sq km. - about 2.3%
of the world's land area.

To avoid political difficulties it may be desirable to build farms
that float on the ocean. A 52 m diameter sphere - weighted down with
soil and a mechanical spike - and even a fresh water 'pond' would
easily support 3 to 12 people each - and draw materials out of the air
- CO2 - to get carbon, H2O to get hydrogen - magnesium calcium and so
forth - would provide an upscale residence for 'boat people' A mat
2,500 km in diameter would house 2 billion 'farms'

Doubling every year would allow completion of this program in 30 years
instead of 60. Some plants and animals have gestation periods of
less than a year. Doubling every six months - would provide
completion of the program in 15 years - and adding in a 5 year
development cycle - we could have transformed life on earth by 2025.

Beyond subsistance - add global ballistic transport to create a global
village.

MEMs based hydrogen oxygen rockets driving thin film silica aerogel
coated vehicles - using automated GPS guidance - provide global
ballistic transport - anywhere of goods or people at very little cost.

With a 5% structural fraction - and 3 km/sec final velocity - along
with 4.5 km/sec exhaust speed - and 250 kg payload - require 540 kg
total vehicle weight, and 27 kg structural weight and 263 kg
propellant. That requires 9.2 GJ - 2,560 kWh of DC electricity to
produce that from water. If each PERSON uses this much capacity, this
is 100 kw per person over a 24 hour period. This is 400x the level
given above. So, 5 sq m of solar panels increases to 2,000 sq m - a
half acre per person.

With power satellites beaming energy to stationary solar panels,
output is increases to 1,000 watts electrical per square meter - 24/7
- so each square meter goes from 50 watts electrical per square meter
to 1,000 watts per square meter - 20x increase - so, total area drops
to 10 sq m of solar panels per person. That is, sufficient with the
overbuild in each 'farm' - to provide daily personal ballistic
transport throughout the world, for every man woman and child - by
building a low mass thin film powersat constellation over the same
period.- augmenting a global wireless internet and an advanced global
positioning system and an open aerial surveillance system to monitor
global security and environment.

I want you on my team.

A bipolar lose cannon like William Mook can always come in real
handy. For one thing, we could toss out or simply get rid of most any
number of libraries, thus saving countless millions upon millions per
year by way of relying upon the all-knowing expertise of wizard
William Mook, all wrapped up in just one very thick book (similar in
configuration to the New York city phone book, except there’d have to
be many more of those thin pages). Those nearly empty libraries could
then make good servitude/minion housing for those of us unwilling to
worship the ground upon which lord Mook has walked, and best of all
your local pretend-Atheist church would become an offshore banking
branch that never has to account for anything, much less pay any sort
of local or federal tax. In fact, all federal, state and civil
service workers will be entirely tax exempt as well as full early
retirement and medical benefit covered from birth to grave, whereas
the remaining 10% private sector of this nation are the only ones
that’ll forever get to pay for everything.

As long as Mook is sufficiently medicated, we're all in luck and far
richer plus better off than anyone on Earth or on Mars could possibly
imagine (you just don't want to be Muslim or the least bit anti bad-
Zionist, don’t eat pork and don’t mind naming your kids after the
Rothschilds). This New World Order where most everyone is rich and
powerful is also where unlimited resources of fossil energy just keeps
popping up, and our loot grows on trees.

This is all very good news, especially since most oceans will be those
of large dead zones populated with yummy jellyfish, and liquid fuels
of most any sort will run you at least $10/gallon for the lowest grade
of megajoules/kg, with a global surface atmosphere of 10000 ppm in
CO2, and perhaps in places as great as 60% O2, though at times sooty
and loaded with NOx.

Of course the SAA contour will have become ten fold greater in area,
ocean levels will have increased by another meter with no rising end
in sight, and the illegitimate son of GW Bush will have become
president. Undeveloped real estate property in Antarctica will be
going for $1M/acre, on Mars going for $1B/acre and our Selene/moon,
Venus as well as Sirius will each still be taboo/nondisclosure rated
(forbidden in text or in any public or private media context),
although China may have established my LSE-CM/ISS.

~ BG
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