Re: Are politicians averse to leaving LEO?

On 15 Jan, 14:55, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ian Parker <ianpark...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:On 14 Jan, 15:06, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> Ian Parker <ianpark...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>
:> :On 13 Jan, 21:47, nebu...@xxxxxxxxx (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
:> :> Michael Gallagher <mikejo...@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
:> :> >Sticker shock is one possility, but why would politicians who shelve
:> :> >ouy $1 trillion in bailouts shirk at $50 billion or $500 billion
:> :> >spread out over decades to actually go someplace in space?  Is there
:> :> >something else going on, some psycholigical aversion to goint to far
:> :> >from "mother Earth"?  Did they just watch ALIEN a few times too many?
:> :> >What?
:> :>
:> :>         Assume that a Mission To Mars works right.  I'll even give you
:> :> it coming in on time and within range of the original budget estimates,
:> :> even though those traits have not been among those that past major
:> :> space projects have been renowned for.  How many people benefit, and
:> :> how much do they benefit?  How soon do these benefits arrive?  Do these
:> :> benefits outweigh the costs?  What of these benefits could be achieved
:> :> with a lesser expense?  How inconvenient would it be it to wait for
:> :> these benefits?  
:> :
:> :Yes, but if you do "public works" people will get employed whatever
:> :you do. You opnly get Keynsian benefits if what you have gone into
:> :debt for earns you money.
:> :
:>
:> Wrong.
:>
:> :
:> :A manned expedition to Mars is unlikely to
:> :earn any money.
:> :
:>
:> Perhaps not directly, but there will be spin offs.
:>
:> :
:> :The sort of project you want from the stand-point of Keynes is a big
:> :construction project. Like the Hoover dam.
:> :
:>
:> Keynes doesn't care what government spends the money on.  You
:> obviously fail to understand basic economics, as you fail to
:> understand SO many things.
:>
:> <snip A.S.S. meandering>
:>
:> :
:> :You have to use the resources of space, you have to mine robotically.
:> :
:>
:> Why?  We don't have to mine robotically here on Earth.  Why do you
:> think space is different?
:>
:> :
:> :You simply cannot afford to send astronauts to the Asteroid belt, or
:> :at least not in significant numbers.
:> :
:>
:> Then you simply cannot afford to develop robotic mining ships and send
:> them to the asteroid belt in significant numbers, either.
:>
:> :
:> :If you are going to get benefits
:> :from space they will be technological benefits.
:> :
:>
:> Why?  Sudbury, Canada, already gets huge benefits from the use of
:> space resources.
:>
:> :
:> :What benefits would be
:> :be looking for? Benefits in robotics would be high on the list.
:> :
:>
:> Only if we follow your circular logic.
:>
:> :
:> :In
:> :point of fact a lot of work is being done with no space applications
:> :in mind.
:> :
:> :People in the group seem to want to persuade us that there are no
:> :benefits in that direction. One might ask, what benefits are there in
:> :any direction.
:> :
:> :On the Apollo project a minicomputer was used when Apollo was on the
:> :dark side of the Moon. This did give a stimulus to minicomputer
:> :development. As I said everyone seems to be trying to persuade us that
:> :no benefits of that kind would accrue.
:> :
:>
:> Yet you gibber on about how manned space flight will provide no
:> benefits.
:>
:> Hint:  You're not supposed to start with your conclusion and then
:> reason backward....
:>
:> --
:> "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
:>  territory."
:>                                       --G. Behn
:
:No my dregree is in Theoretical Physics and I regard myself as
:primerally a mathematican. Lots of mathematicians work on Wall Street.
:

Well, no.  They don't.

Oh, I have a degree in Mathematics, too.  Also Computer Science.  Now
you know why I treat your loony ideas about AI with such derision.

:
:OK - look at the mess! Well that mess is not a fault of the
:algorithms. Iraq has had a lot to do with it. That is a case of
:spectacular expenditure with nothing at the end.
:

Iraq has ZERO to do with it.

You really don't have a clue about any of this stuff, do you?

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
 truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
                               -- Thomas Jefferson

How is it that you get elementary dynamics wrong?


- Ian Parker
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