Re: Are politicians averse to leaving LEO?

Ian Parker <ianparker2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:On 18 Jan, 18:11, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> Ian Parker <ianpark...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>
:> :On 17 Jan, 21:30, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :> Ian Parker <ianpark...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> :On 17 Jan, 02:18, "Jorge R. Frank" <jrfr...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :> :>
:> :> :> In addition to Rand's arguments on orbital inclination, the argument on
:> :> :> orbital altitude is that ISS had to be situated below the Van Allen
:> :> :> belts to minimize radiation shielding requirements, and had to be
:> :> :> reachable by both the space shuttle and Soyuz/Progress, the latter of
:> :> :> which has an altitude ceiling of 425 km.
:> :> :>
:> :> :That is the reason for the low orbit. The inlination is another
:> :> :matter, If anything a high inclination gives more radiation.
:> :> :
:> :
:> :This in itself speaks volumes. Radiation is a technical point. The
:> :Russian launch sites are political. An equatorial orbit would be
:> :perfectly ascessible from Kourou where Soyuz is now based.
:> :
:>
:> But it wasn't based there then.  If ISS wasn't where it is the
:> Russians wouldn't have played.  End of story.
:>
:> :
:> :If you are
:> :INTERNATIONAL you make your launch facilities available to everyone.
:> :What is the rooted objection to launcing a Proton from Kourou?
:> :
:>
:> None, except you couldn't do it until last year.
:>
:> :
:> :Or even a Shuttle?
:> :
:>
:> No capability and no way to get everything there.
:>
:> :
:> :"I" to be implies that the best facilities are used from every nation.
:> :Kourou is overwhemingly the best launch site in current operatrion.
:> :This is what TRADE means. There is a site in Brazil even closer to the
:> :equator but that lacks the facilities of Kourou.
:> :
:>
:> The same facilities that Kourou lacked until last year.  Why are we
:> building in Kourou and not in Brazil?
:>
:
:I think this is all true. However the fact still remains that we do
:not have the resources to view space as a nationalistic endeavout.
:

Hogwash.

:
:CERN is in Geneva, there is no point in anyone else building an
:accelerator.
:

Facilities at CERN are that underutilized? Really?

:
:If space could be viewed in the same way. The fact that
:it isn't is in itself significant.
:

High energy physics isn't viewed that way. So your position amounts
to, "Here's one thing that isn't viewed that way. Given that, why
can't we view this other thing that way."

Loony.

:> :> :
:> :> :Martha Adams in fact strikes me as one of the more sensible people in
:> :> :this group.
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> This says more about how loony you are than it does about anything
:> :> else.
:> :>
:> :
:> :This is the case in point. I am beginning to see that the fact that
:> :anyone going to a space colony would be able to build a VN machine
:> :easily is something that the Establishment wishes to hide.
:> :
:>
:> Yes, because it's NOT a 'fact'.
:>
:
:Oh no it isn't oh yes it is! Pantomine. It is a fact that we are not
:being told about whether it is intentional or not.
:

We also haven't been told whether or not there are purple aliens from
Eridanis running the Muslim religion. The reason for that is that
it's a preposterous question and we seldom waste time answering such.

'It' is obviously not intentional because 'it' is not a "fact".

:
:I do not believe
:Stephen Hawking sees himself as a Davros like figure, the leader of
:the Eternals, although the fact that Davros was encased in a
:travellator (like the Daleks [or Dalekhs]) does provide certain
:parallels. He did speak about survivalism though.
:

You know that's all fiction, right? Yes, I expect that Stephen
Hawking is *NOT* insane.

You seem to be, judging by your statements.

:
:In fact if you believe, as I do, that anthropogenic dangers are the
:main dangers, then space colonies provide no protection.
:

Of course they do. Any spreading out does that.

:
:Indeed they
:promise even greater dangers.
:

If you're nuts. And you apparently are.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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  • Re: Are politicians averse to leaving LEO?
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    ... :>:That is the reason for the low orbit. ... :Russian launch sites are political. ... :What is the rooted objection to launcing a Proton from Kourou? ... :"I" to be implies that the best facilities are used from every nation. ...
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    ... :>:That is the reason for the low orbit. ... Radiation is a technical point. ... :What is the rooted objection to launcing a Proton from Kourou? ... :"I" to be implies that the best facilities are used from every nation. ...
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