Re: Republicans continue their war against science

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:15:14 -0700, Fred J. McCall
<fjmccall@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

royls@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

:On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:30:33 -0700, Fred J. McCall
:<fjmccall@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:
:>royls@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
:>
:>:On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 00:41:39 -0700, Fred J. McCall
:>:<fjmccall@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:
:>:>Neil Gerace <geracen@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>
:>:>:On Feb 9, 12:44 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>:>:
:>:>:> Just who do YOU think pays the income taxes, Roy?
:>:>:
:>:>:In most countries that have a large population of people near the mean
:>:>:income, those people pay most of the tax. They are neither too poor to
:>:>:escape being taxed, nor rich enough to pay someone else to minimise
:>:>:their tax for them.
:>:>
:>:>Unfortunately for you, the actual numbers don't support that premise
:>:>holding for the United States.
:>:
:>:Yes, of course they do.
:>
:>No, of course they don't.
:
:Yes, they do, and I have posted links to the proof. You have posted
:nothing but your own false claims.

You posted 10 year old numbers.

From a credible source.

I gave much more recent (2006) numbers.

Numbers you have yet to provide a source for, other than your own
fundament.

Here's a real source that (mirabile dictu) actually supports your
revised claim about the top 5%, but flat-out disproves your original
and still unsupported claim about the top 1%:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/22652.html

It shows that in 2005, the top 5% of AGI recipients received 36% of
the individual income, and paid just under 60% of the individual
income tax -- a quite mild level of progressivity. It also shows that
to be in the top 5% you only needed to receive $145K in income, or
only about 2.3 times the very middle-class level of $62K at the 76th
%ile. The top 1%, who you falsely claimed paid most of the taxes, in
fact paid less than 40% of the _income_ tax, while pocketing more than
21% of the income. Their share of other taxes was far less.

Bottom line: people with incomes of less than $365K paid over 60% of
the income tax, while the top 1% paid less than 40%. The average rate
of tax actually paid by the top 1% was 23%, while the average rate
paid by the next 24% was 12.5%.

You're a liar.

I have provided actual numbers with sources. You haven't.

<plonk>

<yawn>

-- Roy L
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