Re: Europe to Join Russia in Building Next Space Shuttle


Andre Lieven Wrote:
> Rémy MERCIER (Rmy.MERCIER.1u79lm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) writes:
>
> Your attributation lines are messed up...
> -
> Andre Lieven Wrote:-
> John Doe (jdoe@xxxxxxx) writes:-
> Andre Lieven wrote:
> --
> ATV exists. It's not complete yet, and a year from flying roughly,
> but it exists.--
> -
> Until it flies, and flies successfully, I don't count it. Period.
> PR flyers are a dime a dozen. Flown systems are the real thing.-
>
> ATV is more realistic than HTV, Klipper or CEV. They've already
> fitted the station with the gear to let its guidance system dock.
> The first flight ATV has been built. ATV has a lot of conventional
> technologies:
> MPLM shell for cargo module. Russian made docking module. Ariane 5
> for launcher. But there is also a lot of new stuff (guidance,
> propulsion for orbiting tug etc).-
>
> Has it flown ? No. My point.
> -
> It is already late. And likely to see more delays while they debug
> the vehicle. And hopefully the modified Arianne 5 won't blow up when
> it launches ATV.
>
> So yes, you can't bet your life on ATV yet. But it is far from being
> vapourware.-
>
> Ibid.
> -
> HTV on the other hand is a big question mark. ESA has experience with
> Arianne 5. How much experience does Japan have with launchers ?-
>
> Look it up for yourself.
>
> Andre-
>
> The ATV is very near completion. The flight hardware for the first
> ATV
> mission, named Jules Verne, is currently undergoing integration in
> the
> ESTEC Test Centre prior to moving into LEAF for acoustic testing.
> Jules
> Verne will also undergo testing in the Large Space Simulator.
> http://tinyurl.com/9ozup
> ATV will fly in 2006 (before june). You bet?-
>
> No. My point was, and remains: Unflown gear is unflown gear. Until
> it flies, one cannot claim that it exists as flown and thus proven,
> hardware.
>
> Andre
>
> --
> " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
> The Man Prayer, Red Green.

Why ESA should send ATV without Colombus in space?
Between EU and USA, how many co-operation projet fell throw? Here, you
have a good explanation for the recent ATV gap (3 years) and ESA
slowless. But ATV will fly in 2006 to buy ISS' shares and other
reasons.
If there is a "shame"... think only USA or NASA not ESA! So many
times... again and again... always the same...: USA or NASA are not
reliable... (disrespect).
Rémy


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