Re: Size of the proposed "new" space vehicle?

"tomcat" <jlavine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Jeff Findley wrote:
>> You're horribly delusional. Try looking at the X-33 program and tell us
>> again how quick and easy it would be to build a "triangle spaceplane".
>> Part
>> of the problem with such a design is the shape of the fuel tanks, which
>> is
>> exactly where X-33 had some serious problems. More time and money might
>> have fixed those issues, but the program was cancelled because of the
>> reluctance to throw good money after bad.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
>
> Delta Clipper had a problem with the fuel tanks, one that could easily
> have been solved if NASA had tried.
>
> Let's not make building a spaceplane out to be more that what it is.
> The hard R&D work has been done with the Space Shuttle.
>
> The Shuttle proved the waverider concept, the H2/lox SSME, glideslope
> technology, crew adaptability to space, and general space engineering.
>
> When SSTO HTOL's were first being designed, during the 70's, everything
> was up in the air. So, financial backing was lacking. These SSTO HTOL
> designs didn't fail -- they were never built.
>
> Was hypersonic plasma really hot? Will waveriders really ride the
> wave? Can rocket engines be relied on? Should jets, scram jets, and
> then rockets be used sequentially? Can pilots really fly hypersonic
> vehicles? Will there be surprises in Outer Space?
>
> In addition a lot of technology was lacking in the 70's. Titanium
> could not be easily worked or machined. Computers were crude by
> today's standard. (In fact, the apollo capsules used coded paper tape
> instead of computers to save weight.) Composite was unheard of outside
> classroom speculation. Fly by wire technology didn't exist until the
> F-16.
>
>
> Today, we can build everything except the surface skin using tried and
> true off-the-shelf technology. Not a small advantage over the 70's!
> And, with regard to surface skin, we can always fall back on ballistic
> nose cone technology: Corelle on top of reinforced carbon carbon, over
> metal plate. Add a vacuum bottle design, a little cyrogenic cooling
> with a nomex interior and the heat problem should be solved.
>
> There are several things going on at NASA and elsewhere in the
> government that muddies up the water. The 'rocket people' are fighting
> the 'aircraft people'. The 'military people' are fighting the 'NASA
> civilians'. And, everyone wants to keep their jobs.
>
> Some view NASA as a spectator sport like baseball and football. They
> believe people want to watch the roman candles lift off from gantrys,
> not take off from runways. Most influential people don't see
> interplanetary voyages, or even Moon missions, as practical. Just so
> much showmanship to be kept at a slow, economical pace.
>
> Then you have the 'Deep Black' Generals hidden deep within mountain
> bunkers, separating America's 'real' technology from the . . . NASA
> circus acts.
>
> Controlling technology so great that even Aliens shake and shiver,
> these 'shadow czars' rule with an iron fist, slowly turning America
> into a double country: the Eloi, and the Morlocks. The Eloi dance
> around in innocence while morlocks lurk beneath the surface making all
> manner of . . . deals.
>
> Heaven forbid you ever meet these shadows. You might offend one and
> burst into flames, leaving only a stain on the concrete. Note: See
> "Men In Black" by Steven Spielberg.
>
> What is true here and what is fiction I don't know. But the
> performance of the X-33 doesn't mean diddly, or say anything about
> America's technology. Best to use good common sense.
>
> If you can build something with off-the-shelf tried and true parts --
> then go ahead and build it because it is bound to work.
>

OK, dude. You've had your chance. This isn't the space fantasy group.
**plonk** (Anothor bites the dust...)


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