Re: How Rockets Differ From Jets

tomcat,
In addition to all of the GOOGLE/NOVA sponsored and thus mainstream
status quo contributed spermware/malware that I and my poor old PC has
to put up with, in that now whenever doing a search for 'Brad Guth' and
as per "Sorted by date" in usenet groups there's topic priority
continually given to those spooks having been previously author/topic
stalking and bashing, as in keeping their anti-Guth, anti-moon,
anti-LSE-CM/ISS, anti-Venus and anti-you-name-it of whatever's their
anti-truth/damage-control related topics at the top of their
MI6/NSA~CIA usenet cesspool, thus maintaining their usual infomercial
piles upon piles of disinformation-R-us crapolla for all the world to
see first hand. Though actually that's a good thing as to seeing these
fools proving that I'm right because they've got next to nothing which
proves otherwise.

Clearly the science, astronomy and related portions of this usenet that
sucks and blows the most are nothing but an all consuming black hole of
their incest cloned bigotry, arrogance and greed that's chuck full of
as much perpetrated cold-war disinformation and MOS 'wag the dog'
diversions and damage-control as these absolute brown-nosed pagan
bastards can muster, and it's certainly too bad that most of them are
hard-line/extremist Jews and/or mindset as pro-Jewish without a stitch
of remorse to boot. Don't you agree?

What's worse off;
an extremist Muslim that's pissed off for perfectly good reasons, or
another financially powerful and extremely influential Jew going postal
for no good reason other than religious bigotry, arrogance and sheer
greed?

I'm beginning to think that the only half-assed smart Jews are German
Jews, whereas the rest of the sorry pack is being orchestrated by these
pathetic usenet freaks that claim as being all-knowing and thus
supposed wizards that are actually nothing but the worse possible
bastards that have never once contributed one iota worth of anything to
humanity. These folks are pretty much anti-anything that rocks their
good ethnic-cleansing ship LOLLIPOP.

>you really need the cryogenic fuel for cooling purposes.
>You have to rid the hull of heat build up.
Good freaking grief and almighty Christ on another stick. LH2/LO2 are
not the one and only cold substances, whereas extremely good insulative
R-Factors that are capably structural do actually exist that are
extremely thermal tolerant to boot. What is your problem? Do you own
stock in slush LH2/LO2?

Slush H2O2 and even slush C12H26 is plenty cold, especially considering
the massive tonnage requirements, but I'm thinking such forms of slush
are not nearly as cold and as thermal energy transfer efficient as good
old LRn, that which I believe can beat your slush LH2/LO2 per kg and
then some because, at least LRn can be manufactured via nuclear energy
on the fly. Primarily using H2O2/C12H26 doesn't exclude your
all-or-nothing spaceplane from hauling a sufficient supply of slush
LH2/LO2 or even LRn for hull cooling. Why is it that folks like
yourself assume upon only the absolute least effective usage and worse
possible outcome of whatever's not your idea, and or continually focus
upon such a narrow all-or-nothing mindset. Doesn't the words
'composite' or 'matrix' actually mean anything?

>Space flight isn't for everyone.
How true. In your case it's only for benefiting the uppermost 0.1% of
humanity, and even at that perhaps as few as 0.1% of those folks will
actually afford the ticket to ride within your tomcat-spaceplane that's
going to cost these folks roughly $250,000/km of accommodating their
body and whatever personal luggage mass, thus even a role of toilet
paper is going to get spendy although apparently roasted to death along
with everything else by the 500+deg.F. interior that you're planning
upon creating if there's ever insufficient slush LH2/LO2 to go around.
Therefore, you're talking about accommodating all of 0.0001% of
humanity (6,750 possible clients as crew and passengers) which should
be sufficient if each of those as passengers and/or as equivalent
payload forks out 100 million bucks. Of course bringing back a load of
He3 from the moon should certainly make this all worth while.

>We need to discuss this over a bottle of Irish Whiskey.
Bring along a full case or even a keg or two.

>Tomcat's spaceplane will be able to land 'itself' on the Moon using
>VTOL thrusters. For the Moon SSME's are out because the Moon's gravity
>is just 1/6th that of Earth. 4 much smaller engines will be selected.
1/6th gravity and nearly zilch worth of aerobreaking still isn't all
that insignificant for a multi-hundred tonne spaceplane. Trust me
again, you'll be needing the likes of nearly one SSME as your primary
VTOL source of thrust energy, especially if you're planning upon
lifting off with a GVW of better than 1200t, which isn't exactly
accommodating of all that much reserve capacity of slush LH2/LO2. If
the dry/inert mass of this spaceplane is 200t, plus a 100t payload
leaves just 900t of slush LH2/LO2, thus 1200/6 = 200t (440,925 lbs)
worth of initial thrust requirement and you're nearly at the maximum
capability of what one SSME can manage at 104% consuming 487 kg/s from
900t worth of slush LH2/LO2 isn't going to last very long if you're
also going to require post reentry retro-thrust and hull cooling on the
home stretch.

A little something other that's bothersome; it seems that slush LH2/LO2
is not going to remain as slush or even all that liquid for all that
long. Even if R-1024/m insulated represents a rate of thermal transfer
that's ongoing until the very last drop of slush is gone. I'm thinking
your slush LH2/LO2 is nearly worse off than then LRn having a half-life
of less than 4 days no matters what. Thus in either case it's a use-it
or lose-it situation, whereas H2O2/C12H26 is good for next to forever,
as well as in need of hardly any insulation at that, thus volumetric
efficiency is way better off than any slush LH2/LO2.

>Ceramic will work. Corelle can take 20,000 deg. F.. And, silica tile
>can reflect enormous heat and then cool almost instantly.
The problem is that none of this nifty stuff is all that structural, as
in worthy of becoming the outer structural and thus do-everything
spaceplane hull that's supposed to prevent "maroonment" along with
avoiding passenger roasting at 500+°F. I have few doubts that
protecting the structural CNT/basalt outer hull is doable, although you
still haven't identified nor thereby specified upon that multi-thousand
degree tolerant composite binder that'll take such a thermal licking
and keep on ticking nearly as well as we've known of what metallic
alloys can muster.

>Landing on the Moon is easier than landing on the Earth. Look for a
>nice flat spot. Do a retrofire. Go into VTOL mode and sit it down.
Other than the rather obviously advantage of 1/6th gravity, that's way
too easily said than accomplished without using up a great deal of your
slush LH2/LO2. Then what? Is this where the catchy phrase "in case of
maroonment" get's applied?

BTW, if you find a sufficient "flat spot", chances are that it's most
likely flat due to being little more than a deep pile of moon-dust
that'll typically be 10+ meters worth of a carbon/soot, iron and
titanium composite that offers almost no surface tension until you hit
rock bottom, which in places could be 20+ meters deep. Surface radar
imaging should help to locate what's more or less worthy of landing
upon without your spaceplane sinking beyond it knees. The SSME
retro-thrust should blast away the thick dust, but then you'd be in a
fairly deep hole that's refilling itself with some of that same dark
and nasty dust, or do you still believe in the NASA/Apollo tooth fairy?

In addition to various maneuvering thrusters and the fully computer
interactive SSME, I'm thinking that this massive craft is also going to
require at least 4 fairly massive gyros as being spun and sustained at
100,000 rpm, and that effort might only require a maximum of 3 MJ for
as long as those items need to be utilized. Instead of a rocket fueled
energy source, and because the H2/O2 fuel cells are not going to be all
that great of energy density, this could be where the auxiliary energy
can be derived via H2O2/Aluminum energy cells at delivering better than
1 kwh/kg, thus 1000 kg = 1 MJhr becomes a highly effective energy
solution at requiring less overall mass at hardly any volume.

A controlled decent away from the ME-L1/EM-L2 parallel park-n-ride;
Departing a sweet-spot that's roughly 60,000 km off the deck and dead
centered with Earth, and once having been arriving at an average decent
velocity of -6 km/s is going to take 10,000 seconds. Of course allowing
the lunar gravity to accomplish it's thing of getting the spaceplane up
to good speed, it seems stopping a 1200t craft (worth 200t lunar
surface mass) within the last 10 km, as having previously been arriving
essentially in VTOL mode at an average of 6 km/s is going to take some
impressive retro-thrust energy (KE = 0.5MV2). I'm assuming that you
have a fully interactive fly-by-rocket simulator that's running on your
PC. Am I right?

BTW; Did you try posting any arguments related to having your
spaceplane efficiently docking at the LSE-CM/ISS, a 1.28 km diameter
borg like sphere that's tethered to the moon, having the 1e9m3 interior
abode and to/from lunar surface elevator pods?

Do you even remotely realize as to what the grand significance of once
having established the LSE-CM/ISS represents?

Do you even realize the importance of what utilizing the mutual
gravity-well amounts to on behalf of your spaceplane going to/from the
moon?

Do you require a spendy pop-up book of 3D interactive animation and
audio clips as to better explain everything?

Perhaps I should hire 'LeapFrog' to publish this informative book as
another 'LittleTouch? LeapPad®' that's all about the LSE-CM/ISS. Do
you think that would help?

I'm also thinking, if your PC hasn't been infected with usenet
spermware, it's because you're MI6/NSA~CIA or perhaps just Skull and
Bones and thus brown-nosed certified as being another one of their good
guys. Which is it?
~

Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
such as GW Bush.
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

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