Re: The Cold Equations


Brad Guth wrote:
> Tell me why you're all the sudden back into avoiding any topic or
> sub-topic regarding our moon and Venus, thus excluding our two closest
> and most 'zone of life' worthy orbs besides Earth. It seems as though,
> going after some other distant moons and of otherwise snagging
> asteroids that from time to time so happen to be passing nearby isn't
> such a sure bet as per pillaging and plundering our local cash of lunar
> He3, being of the most essential portion of the fusion formula that'll
> soon become worth 30 billion if not 40 billions per tonne . . .


Based on my pictures of Mars and our Moon we are dealing with Aliens.
( See: http://stardot.blogspot.com/ )

I also did an enlargement of a picture taken of the Moon on the ISS.
It shows two unquestionable rectangular areas of very large size, one
with two large circles in it. It appears that the Martians have their
'little red wagons' on our Moon. It is likely they are scraping He-3
off the surface. There would be little reason for such a mammoth
project of making a huge rectangle on the surface unless it was to
obtain a valuable resource.

I believe it is wise to stay clear of their home planets unless
invited. But our Moon is OUR Moon. It is part of the Earth-Moon
system. We need to find out what is going on up there.

I believe this is the responsibility of the USAF. The USAF needs to
get rid of it's out-of-date vehicles asap and begin building armed
spaceplanes to recon the Moon. The only quality combat aircraft it has
at present are the F-22 Raptor and the B-2 Spirit. And, they need
spaceplanes too!


> We're waiting pretty much because of folks exactly like yourself, that
> still don't believe that we can't really accomplish what we've been
> told, at least not as per getting folks or even substantial robotics
> safely onto the likes of Mars or Mercury, and thereby most certainly
> we've not accomplished such upon the nearly vacuum environment of our
> moon that still representing a good deal of gravity, by which only a
> fly-by-rocket can overcome. Guess what Sir fool(aka tomcat) on the
> hill, we still haven't a viable fly-by-rocket lander. Even the Mars
> robotics are a mere fraction of the mass as to what supposedly got
> deployed upon our moon. Try doing the math, along with taking into
> account that at least the Mars atmosphere had 7+ millibars worth of an
> aerobreaking atmosphere that absolutely saved the day, whereas our moon
> has nearly zilch if not supposedly 3e-15 bar, whish sucks the life out
> of our getting anything soft-landed upon that extremely reactive moon
> of ours.


Remember that the Moon has only 1/6th the gravity of Earth. So, it is
still an easy land and takeoff. It is rich with He-3, titanium,
aluminum, and oxygen. Well worth the trip. BTW, there are large
amounts of water ice in shady craters as well!




> Of course, there's a perfectly good chance that ETs would much rather
> want samples of fresh body organs in exchange for whatever. I'll gladly
> offer those of our resident warlord(GW Bush), plus any number of fresh
> organs as harvested on demand from his extremely brown-nosed Third
> Reich minions to boot. Maybe there's an ET version of Ebay for body
> parts, so that we can list such inventories of living body organs
> that'll benefit an ET host.


I don't know what to think about the 'body parts' rumors floating
around.

We are very close to being able to snythesize our food from inorganic
and plant compounds. There is even the possibility of 'replicating'
plant and animal cells using entanglement and terrabyte computer
memories.

"Tea, Earl Gray, hot."

If these Aliens need our body parts then they are a bit behind us
technology wise. I wonder if they can defend against terrawatt lasers?
If 1/10th of 1 percent gets through a forcefield you're fried!
Forcefields aren't perfect. Ask any nuclear fusion physicist.


> Mars is a pathetic lose-lose situation, at least for us humans. It's
> generaly too damn far away, it is generally too damn cold, there's
> hardly any viable amount of solar energy to draw upon, there's been no
> identified geothermal energy of any significance to draw upon, it has
> almost no magnetic field, hardly any atmosphere (there are moons having
> a kazoo more worth of atmosphere), thereby loads of cosmic and the
> truly bad sorts of solar influx that'll nail your DNA/RNA that'll
> likely be more than half terminated just by the time you've arrived, as
> well as Mars hosting next to nothing in the way of viable rocket fuel
> that at best would require the import of more energy from Earth than
> can be locally extracted and/or processed into viable CO/O2. In other
> words, Mars sucks, not to mention without notice of at any moment
> getting seriously pulverized by incoming debris that isn't hardly
> slowing down until it impacts something.



Mars has mostly iron in it's soil. And, Earth has ample quantities of
iron. What we really need from Mars is technology. Careful negoiation
with the Martians is indicated here.



> Venus is on the other hand absolutely chuck full of easily accessable
> mineral elements, loads of geothermal energy, unlimited green/renewable
> energy as easily taken on demand from the vertical pressure and thermal
> differentials, the atmosphere is sufficiently thick enough that next to
> nothing gets through fast enough to cause any harm, plus most any rigid
> airship (even if it were made out of iron) would float quite nicely
> before contacting the deck. There's even less harmful cosmic and solar
> radiation getting through to the surface than upon Earth, whereas
> there's not even all that much of the visible spectrum of photon energy
> reaching the surface that's toasty in spots. Most, the vast majority,
> of the environment heat has been geothermal, and thereby it's
> relatively easly to avoid the truly hot-spots. Since Venus is offering
> a relatively dry surface (excluding active volcanic erruptions,
> whatever hot mud flows or surface reservoir stored petro chemicals),
> the likes of whatever salts, sulphurs, acids or even CO2 isn't
> representing hardly if any insurmountable biological problem nor zilch
> worth of insurmountable robotic technology applications whatsoever.
>
> Since there's unlimited green/renewable energy that'll be easy to
> extract, making CO2-->CO/O2 is a done deal. There's actually more than
> sufficient fresh water for sustaining thousands if not hundreds of
> thousans of human like folks (though being exoskeletal should have the
> advantage), of H2O that can be simply distilled and thus extracted from
> the relatively cool nighttime season worth of such thick (25 km worth)
> and of such a chemically composite rich resource of acidic clouds (tru
> to remember that there's no local energy shortages). Thermal insulation
> certainly isn't a problem, at a structural worth of R-1024/m from
> locally produced basalt composites. With such a vast amount of local
> energy at your disposal, all sorts of chemical processes and product
> conversions can be accomplished without your having to import one
> joule. Venus is also extremely nearby, at times as little as 100 fold
> the distance to our moon, therefore each 19 month flyby cycle that's
> close enough to being nearly classified as a worthy NEO, whereas such
> timing offers that extremely nearby window of oppertunity with
> essentially the same face of Venus looking at Earth (is that good or
> what?), by which a shuttle/spaceplane craft should not have any problem
> whatsoever accomplishing the to/from task. Actually, the to/from part
> of having to exit and of returning to mother Earth should be more
> energy demanding and more thermally risky than any nighttime season of
> getting your spaceplane to/from the Venus surface. Venus offers a rigid
> spaceplane friendly as well as a human friendly planet because, there's
> so much available that's technically managable and thus safely doable
> as is. Venus is certainly a whole lot easier for getting most any form
> of human transports onto and away from the deck than of having to
> accomplish the moon. Of course, there's already a viable tarmac on
> Venus, with nearby reserviors containing something that's fluid, plus a
> rather significant community that's extremely complex and of a fairly
> large scale to boot.
>
> Therefore, I totally agree that "we should be developing our
> capabilities rapidly, not waiting on NASA".



Venus has an atmosphere of about 100 atmospheres. That means it is
immersed in a liquid of some kind. If you put a lander down in one of
Earth's oceans you would get a similiar reading.

Their civilization is probably on their mountain tops. We need to
communicate with and tread carefully with the Venusians, if there is a
civilized people there. Your pictures tend to indicate that there are
designed structures. That is enough to be careful.

Once again, our USAF needs to get up-to-date quickly. The F-22's and
B-2's need to be supplemented with armed spaceplanes.


> However, first we might have to survive WW-III,
> $100/gallon fuel and keeping our distance from at least half the world
> that seriously hates each of our energy sucking, polluting and global
> warming butts. That's not going to be easy nor cheap.

Earth has to pull together. Divided we are weak. There are new worlds
to conquer. It could turn out to be 'killed or be killed'. Don't
underestimate the Martians or the Venusians. They didn't get to where
they are by being 'nice guys'.


> Going for Venus is the absolute next best thing to unprotected sex,
> except without any chance of getting AIDS or even getting burned as
> long as you knew enough of physics-101 basics in order to tie your own
> shoe laces. Only the dumb and dumber couldn't manage to survive upon
> Venus. It's that simple, We leave the dumbfounded folks upon Earth to
> fend for themselves, taking those of us smart enough to where it's
> rather toasty warm but hardly the least bit insurmountable once you've
> gotten established.
>
> What would you like to specifically talk about accomplishing first,
> while your spaceplane has safely arrived into the extremely buoyant
> atmosphere and of the bit cooler nighttime season of Venus, say
> cruising efficiently (nearly effortlessly) along at 20~25 km off the
> deck. I'll vote for the CO2-->CO/O2 task, then going for robotically
> extracting a few tonnes worth of fresh water might be a wee bit better
> off than having to directly recycle sweat and urine, especially if once
> upon the surface you wanted to establish good sized hot-tubs worth of
> fresh water to play around in, or as for having established an ice
> skating arena combined with a HOOTERS bar that's serving Venus
> environmentally baked pizza and ice cold beer that could put a good
> healthy spin on the notion of what's entirely doable once situated upon
> Venus, managing quite nicely for better than 15 months at a time if you
> subtracted the portion of to/from travel that'll get folks between
> Earth and Venus, and subsequently back home via the "Tomcat
> Spaceplane", within a short time with less fuss and fewer complications
> than for going anywhere near Mars.


"Baked pizza and ice cold beer" on Venus! And the beautiful Venusian
forests seen through 1 inch thick Lexan bulletproof glass. A single
'tomcat spaceplane' passenger would willingly pay 10 million or so for
the visit.

They would stay overnight in the Venus Hilton located on top of a
mountain overlooking the ocean. Replicated steaks and caviar would be
served for dinner. Gambling in tomcat's casino would include free
drinks served by beautiful young ladies. That would probably net
another 10 million per passenger.

The adventurous would hike down the mountain dressed in official NASA
spacesuits.

NASA, itself, would still be doing the finishing touches on their CEV
in hopes of getting to the Moon. A bit behind Free Enterprise, but
trying hard none-the-less.


tomcat

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